Texas High School State Championship Games

[FOOTBALLFANTIC]

If anyone is at home and interested, there is a triple header of 4A and 5A matchups on Fox College Sports Channel. Right now it's the 4A Division 2 Championship-Cuero vs Pleasant Grove. UIL's 4A is the size of our 1A schools. I think the 6A games are tomorrow.

 

[btango]

The numbers below are approximate but very close.

1A is below 105. About 150 play six man football. Over 200 schools in this class. About 12 play 11 man.
2A is 105-249.
3A is 250-499.
4A is 500 to 1,150 students.
5A to 2,200 students.
6A has at least 15 schools over 4,000 and one close to 6,000 students (Allen Senior).

There are right at 1,100 schools in Texas that play 11 man football. One title for every 110 schools.
There are a lot of very small schools in Texas with over 400 schools in 1A and 2A.
3A and 4A over 400 schools.
There are over 500 schools total in 5A and 6A.

 

[FOOTBALLFANTIC]

Watching the games yesterday, it seems like QBs passing for more than 3,000-4,000 yards is a dime a dozen in Texas. These teams put up lofty numbers.

 

[BlackKnightNut]

Texas is effing serious about football... On EVERY level lol.

 

[FOOTBALLFANTIC]

Texas is effing serious about football... On EVERY level lol.

Oh yeah, definitely a religion down there! And it's apparent when the independent school districts spend millions upon millions of dollars on football stadiums. Some of their stadiums look better and are more modern than some of the small colleges here in NC! This state needs to step up LOL!

 

[BlackKnightNut]

That's why we are a basketball and baseball state lol... We can be a football state, but our system needs to be waaaaaaaaaay updated...

 

[BiltmoreCANE]

Oh yeah, definitely a religion down there! And it's apparent when the independent school districts spend millions upon millions of dollars on football stadiums. Some of their stadiums look better and are more modern than some of the small colleges here in NC! This state needs to step up LOL!

 

[FOOTBALLFANTIC]

That's why we are a basketball and baseball state lol... We can be a football state, but our system needs to be waaaaaaaaaay updated...

I agree!!

 

[FOOTBALLFANTIC]

$60 million dollar HIGH SCHOOL stadium?!? That's almost as big, if not bigger than UNC Charlotte's stadium!

 

[btango]

I have toured that stadium with an athletic department official. They have dressing rooms, meeting rooms, workout facilities, wrestling room, great press box and suites. Magnificent! Few others that are close to equal or better have been built or planned since this opened.

 

[Otis4411]

I have toured that stadium with an athletic department official. They have dressing rooms, meeting rooms, workout facilities, wrestling room, great press box and suites. Magnificent! Few others that are close to equal or better have been built or planned since this opened.

Was it built with Oil money? I've always wondered about that.

 

[TVILLEDAWG2370]

Bigger ain't always better...does nothing for me...not impressed

 

[Otis4411]

Bigger ain't always better...does nothing for me...not impressed

Everything about it is impressive. I wish we had high school football like this.

 

[TVILLEDAWG2370]

I'm into more smaller intimate settings....there's nothing intimate about that...like the saying "everything's bigger in Texas"

 

[BlackKnightNut]

(Radio) I like both...

 

[FOOTBALLFANTIC]

Everyone has their own opinions on the matter. I don't think any school system in North Carolina will ever spend money like that on an athletic facility unless it is shared between multiple schools like Legion Stadium in Wilmington used to be between the schools until Hoggard got their own stadium. Laney had their own stadium, but at the time they were winning state championships they also played there, and Ashley has their own stadium. Why not build it? Texas has large football stadiums, Oklahoma and Indiana have huge high school basketball gyms and arenas. Not saying NC should have these because other states have them though. But it is kinda crazy that Clinton High's stadium is bigger than the stadiums of a lot of 4A schools in our state.

 

[FOOTBALLFANTIC]

Everything about it is impressive. I wish we had high school football like this.

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I am jealous of that weight room!!!

 

[btango]

Bigger ain't always better...does nothing for me...not impressed

The facilities were phenomenal!

I went with Dutch Fork for their game against Allen. Due to construction issues they played at Plano Stadium which seats 15,000. 11,000 attendance. $10 per. DF only brought a few hundred at most. An assistant AD told me an average game they would probably get 3,000 to 4,000 visitor fans. If you draw 12,000 to 15,000 it is not too big. Allen has nearly 6,000 students. Band was amazing lined up on the field. Over a hundred dancers and flag girls. Crazy.

Perspective, the 6A D1 title game between two undefeated teams had over 50,000 at Cowboys Stadium. Duncanville beat Allen the previous week but lost to a Houston area school, North Shore, by five on the last play of the game, a 50 yard Hail Merry.

 

[btango]

Everyone has their own opinions on the matter. I don't think any school system in North Carolina will ever spend money like that on an athletic facility unless it is shared between multiple schools like Legion Stadium in Wilmington used to be between the schools until Hoggard got their own stadium. Laney had their own stadium, but at the time they were winning state championships they also played there, and Ashley has their own stadium. Why not build it? Texas has large football stadiums, Oklahoma and Indiana have huge high school basketball gyms and arenas. Not saying NC should have these because other states have them though. But it is kinda crazy that Clinton High's stadium is bigger than the stadiums of a lot of 4A schools in our state.

Have visited some great facilities. Union HS Oklahoma has a great stadium and their arena is used for an NCAA D1 conference basketball tournament. Their arch rival, Jevks, has a great stadium but not equal to Union in my opinion.

Saw Damon Bailey play for Bedford North Lawrence twice in high school. In state title game they drew 41,000 to the Hoosier Dome. Think New Castle (Indiana) has the largest high school campus gym with over 9,000 seats. Steve Alford played for his father there. John Mellencamp was from “small town” Seymour with a high school gym that seats over 8,000.

 

[FOOTBALLFANTIC]

The facilities were phenomenal!

I went with Dutch Fork for their game against Allen. Due to construction issues they played at Plano Stadium which seats 15,000. 11,000 attendance. $10 per. DF only brought a few hundred at most. An assistant AD told me an average game they would probably get 3,000 to 4,000 visitor fans. If you draw 12,000 to 15,000 it is not too big. Allen has nearly 6,000 students. Band was amazing lined up on the field. Over a hundred dancers and flag girls. Crazy.

Perspective, the 6A D1 title game between two undefeated teams had over 50,000 at Cowboys Stadium. Duncanville beat Allen the previous week but lost to a Houston area school, North Shore, by five on the last play of the game, a 50 yard Hail Merry.

Yes, I saw that Duncanville/North Shore game! As a matter of fact I watched all the games from 1A to 6A. Texas really knows how to put on a championship game!

 

[FOOTBALLFANTIC]

Have visited some great facilities. Union HS Oklahoma has a great stadium and their arena is used for an NCAA D1 conference basketball tournament. Their arch rival, Jevks, has a great stadium but not equal to Union in my opinion.

Saw Damon Bailey play for Bedford North Lawrence twice in high school. In state title game they drew 41,000 to the Hoosier Dome. Think New Castle (Indiana) has the largest high school campus gym with over 9,000 seats. Steve Alford played for his father there. John Mellencamp was from “small town” Seymour with a high school gym that seats over 8,000.

That's CRAZY! Union's stadium is nice, and so is Broken Arrow. The two are the largest schools in Oklahoma with over 4,000 students each.

 

[btango]

A friend of mine lives in Austin, Texas. Has business interest with former ECU and NFL QB, Jeff Blake. He coached st West Charlotte and Indy. He will a few spend a day or two at one of the domes watching the title games. Has seen four Heisman Trophy winners play in high school.

 

[ocdavis31]

To put it into perspective, Wake Forest only has 5,100 undergrads.

 

[Chopper747]

I am jealous of that weight room!!!

Weight room is serious!

 

[TVILLEDAWG2370]

If Thomasville ever built something like Allen Texas HS stadium I would be very disappointed...they would probably go up on ticket prices if they could and concessions to pay for it and taxes as well....that's when I would say "See ya"

 

[FOOTBALLFANTIC]

Over in McKinney, a suburb of Dallas, a $70 million stadium is being built that will hold 12,000. It appears to be in a one-upmanship with nearby Allen. Now granted, these communities are affluent(the average family income is $83,000 in McKinney). The McKinney ISD passed a five-year, $220 million bond package that also upgrades and adds facilities across the school district. The stadium takes the biggest chunk of the money, which voters improved in May by 62%. And McKinney school district taxes property owners $1.63 per $100 of assessed valuation. But it seems that most of the largest stadiums in Texas are in the Dallas-Fort Worth Metroplex.
They are very nice stadiums, but I'm not sure if I would want a stadium that big. One holding about 5,000-7000 would be cool.

 

[ForsythCo]

If Thomasville ever built something like Allen Texas HS stadium I would be very disappointed...they would probably go up on ticket prices if they could and concessions to pay for it and taxes as well....that's when I would say "See ya"

No offense but Thomasville couldn’t afford anything like that. Heck, no school in NC could probably. Football just isn’t that popular in NC as it is in Texas.

 

[FOOTBALLFANTIC]

No offense but Thomasville couldn’t afford anything like that. Heck, no school in NC could probably. Football just isn’t that popular in NC as it is in Texas.

I agree. But, with the exception of Allen, the other stadiums are used between multiple schools so I can see why the stadiums were built.

 

[ReidsvilleRam90]

Texas has better weather. No falloff in attendance when the mercury drops.

 

[ocdavis31]

No offense but Thomasville couldn’t afford anything like that. Heck, no school in NC could probably. Football just isn’t that popular in NC as it is in Texas.

No offense taken, and you're absolutely right. Cushwa Stadium is one of the very few high school venues in the state that is owned by city government, not the school system. And the contribution by the schools is very minimal. Just the maintenance alone strains the city's recreation budget. Don't think you have to worry about tax payer dollars going to new stadium construction in Thomasville.

 

[Otis4411]

Over in McKinney, a suburb of Dallas, a $70 million stadium is being built that will hold 12,000. It appears to be in a one-upmanship with nearby Allen. Now granted, these communities are affluent(the average family income is $83,000 in McKinney). The McKinney ISD passed a five-year, $220 million bond package that also upgrades and adds facilities across the school district. The stadium takes the biggest chunk of the money, which voters improved in May by 62%. And McKinney school district taxes property owners $1.63 per $100 of assessed valuation. But it seems that most of the largest stadiums in Texas are in the Dallas-Fort Worth Metroplex.
They are very nice stadiums, but I'm not sure if I would want a stadium that big. One holding about 5,000-7000 would be cool.

We don't have the interest in high school football here in NC to even justify it. Much less even think about where the money could come from. Dallas-Fort Worth area is loaded. When I lived out there in 79-80 I was about 45 miles from Fort Worth but that is where we went to party. Clubs everywhere on 35W going into Fort Worth. Those were the days!!

 

[FOOTBALLFANTIC]

We don't have the interest in high school football here in NC to even justify it. Much less even think about where the money could come from. Dallas-Fort Worth area is loaded. When I lived out there in 79-80 I was about 45 miles from Fort Worth but that is where we went to party. Clubs everywhere on 35W going into Fort Worth. Those were the days!!

I have family in Austin and we would go to Lewisville to visit friends, so I chewed the same dirt as you LOL! Yes, the Metroplex is loaded. We can't even build schools with lighted baseball fields here in Wake County. But the glaring difference I see in Texas(and other states) that's different than here in NC is that we have single school systems in most of the counties here, whereas Texas has separate school districts in their counties. For instance, Dallas City has their own school system, and multiple Independent School Districts in Dallas County.

 

[Otis4411]

I want to go back and eat at Aaron Franklins bbq in Austin. I want to see if his brisket is better than mine. I follow his method but I'm sure he has tricks he don't share.

 

[btango]

But the glaring difference I see in Texas(and other states) that's different than here in NC is that we have single school systems in most of the counties here, whereas Texas has separate school districts in their counties. For instance, Dallas City has their own school system, and multiple Independent School Districts in Dallas County.

The glaring difference is the property taxes sent to the schools. Nearly passed out the first time I saw the property tax numbers. Granted they do not have a state income tax but was still shocked. Also, many of the stadiums serve very large schools. Allen has nearly 6,000 students 9-12 so their stadium is not that large percentage wise. Plano has three schools with over 5,000 students grades 9-12.

 

[ocdavis31]

The glaring difference is the property taxes sent to the schools. Nearly passed out the first time I saw the property tax numbers. Granted they do not have a state income tax but was still shocked. Also, many of the stadiums serve very large schools. Allen has nearly 6,000 students 9-12 so their stadium is not that large percentage wise. Plano has three schools with over 5,000 students grades 9-12.

And yet here in North Carolina, the state legislature cut the schools’ share of the “education lottery” a few years ago from 40% to 22%. Not to mention the other education money that was supplanted when the lottery money had been around a few years. Wonder if they have textbooks in Texas?

 

[FOOTBALLFANTIC]

The glaring difference is the property taxes sent to the schools. Nearly passed out the first time I saw the property tax numbers. Granted they do not have a state income tax but was still shocked. Also, many of the stadiums serve very large schools. Allen has nearly 6,000 students 9-12 so their stadium is not that large percentage wise. Plano has three schools with over 5,000 students grades 9-12.

And that's due to separate school districts and no countywide school system. Allen, TX for example, has a population of 84,000 and only one high school. That would be similar to Greenville, Jacksonville or Asheville having only one high school. Plano is a little different in that grades 9-10 attend a high school and grades 11-12 attend a senior high school. But with a population of nearly 270,000, Plano only has 3 senior high schools. That's the equivalent to Greensboro only having 3 schools.

 

[FOOTBALLFANTIC]

And yet here in North Carolina, the state legislature cut the schools’ share of the “education lottery” a few years ago from 40% to 22%. Not to mention the other education money that was supplanted when the lottery money had been around a few years. Wonder if they have textbooks in Texas?

They have textbooks, but what's in them is a different topic LMAO!!

 

[ocdavis31]

They have textbooks, but what's in them is a different topic LMAO!!

That’s something many NC schools don’t have.

 

[FOOTBALLFANTIC]

That’s something many NC schools don’t have.

True dat!!!!!!

 

[btango]

And that's due to separate school districts and no countywide school system. Allen, TX for example, has a population of 84,000 and only one high school. That would be similar to Greenville, Jacksonville or Asheville having only one high school. Plano is a little different in that grades 9-10 attend a high school and grades 11-12 attend a senior high school. But with a population of nearly 270,000, Plano only has 3 senior high schools. That's the equivalent to Greensboro only having 3 schools.

The UIL (Texas equivalent of the NCHSAA) uses 9-12 numbers for the classifications. Like Charlotte middle schools some of the 9-10 high schools feed more than one senior high school so they have to figure out the senior high school the student is districted to.

Allen has grades 10-12 (I may have wrote 11-12 in another posts). They utilize a freshman academy like Richmond County does here. I am not sure if it was put to a vote or just general consensus about twelve years ago when the discussion of expansion or a new school came up and sticking with one school was the decision. Allen is in a county that has over a million residents and includes several cities such as Plano and McKinney. McKinney has several high schools and many areas of the city feed non McKinney ISD schools which I found confusing as it was explained to me. Another good football school, or was, is Celina but it is much smaller.

I think Texas may budget much more money to their schools than NC.