Pre season west top 10
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Mintz meant a hell of a lot to Cherokee. He is irreplaceable so I won’t say our squad this year will win the state. I will say, Swain will have a rough year and Murphy won’t be as decent as recent years. I mean when you have 550 plus kids at your school you should beat up 300 kid schools all day long. Do the numbers. But I don’t give them any hardware preseason. Murphy will be 1AA for a while. Swain will never win another State Championship with the likes of Tarboro and bigger schools of that nature oozing with athletes. In fact, I don’t see Murphy or Swain winning it ever again in 1AA. As a matter of fact......Murphy and Swain Co. are noted as “top picks” year after year because they are in a conference where the closest School in terms of attendance is 375 kids. Murphy and Swain sit at 500 plus( Swain nearly 600). Cherokee 300. Andrews 280. So is 200 more kids due to regional population enough to consider a school “top pick” or do the numbers already tell the story for them? Either way, if the conference was more evenly populated, I think the end result would sing a different tune. They both have great programs, but, shouldn’t they? Shouldn’t they win the conference in every sport? Shouldn’t they win baseball championships? Shouldn’t they win track championships ..? I’d feel like it would be a wasted season if you didn’t win it every year..
Numbers sometimes hide the truth. The truth in 1a ball is any school with 600 or less students is going to have their ups and downs year after year. That’s why I have never been in favor of small 1a and big 1aa ball championships. I have seen over the years that championships and competitive teams seem to come in streaks. Cherokee will certainly be competitive this season as well. But I see them dropping off from the level that they were at last season. Mintz and the losses on the offensive and defensive lines being the major reason why. Not to mention two quality defensive backs. Mintz and Straughn. Depth is also another reason. Cherokee still has some solid players and have potential for this season especially if they stay healthy.
I don’t think they can compete with our Swain team this season. Definitely not next season. You say Swain will have a rough year. Everyone has their opinion but I see a competitive streak for Swain over the next three seasons. Swain has an opportunity to make it to a championship in 1aa perhaps even by next season. Good point on teams like Tarboro and other east teams who have a highly talented roster. The majority of their team is seniors this year which I hope will impact them by next season. Swain has beat many talented teams in the playoffs. So has Murphy.
I don’t think they can compete with our Swain team this season. Definitely not next season. You say Swain will have a rough year. Everyone has their opinion but I see a competitive streak for Swain over the next three seasons. Swain has an opportunity to make it to a championship in 1aa perhaps even by next season. Good point on teams like Tarboro and other east teams who have a highly talented roster. The majority of their team is seniors this year which I hope will impact them by next season. Swain has beat many talented teams in the playoffs. So has Murphy.
The main reason was because Murphy could not stop the run. We actually ran the veer to perfection that game.
I’m hearing great numbers for the braves 38-40 varsity kids . I don’t think we ever had that many .
Dang if you don't have "little man syndrome", no one ever has! First of all, Murphy doesn't have 550 kids, never has, probably never will. Numbers we're in mid-400's pretty consistently until casino opened, then pushed slightly over 500 last year. Smallest school in 1AA last year, 1 student from 1A. Still made it to Regional finals, lost a close game to a very good Mt. Airy team, beat a very good North Stanly team on the road before that. I wouldn't bet the house on Murphy staying 1AA. They'll probably toggle back and forth every year. 2019 and 2020 will be special years if all plays out. A very few of you Cherokee fans need to get a grip. You guys won 1A last year and deserved it. But .... don't think for a second that that makes you anything but a third place team this year. You won conference because of a coin last year, but you had your tail handed to you by Murphy on your own field. Mintz never beat Murphy as great as he was. I'm tired of hearing about numbers. 1A is what it is. There has to be a bottom, there has to be a top.
Cherokee with Mintz was 1-3 vs Swain and I am assuming that they were 0-4 vs Murphy. So that’s 1-7. Hardly a winning record. So what is Cherokee going to do now that Mintz is gone? How can they get better? Cherokee just needs to focus on how to continue to build their program and sustain success. Glad to hear their numbers are up. That’s a first step. Now they have to focus on winning the games they should.
Last season their strength of schedule was the lowest in conference and I think that helped them stay injury free. Which meant they were one of the healthiest teams in conference. Keep that going and they will stay 5-0 vs non conference opponents. Within conference keep beeting Andrews,Rosman and Hayesville. Bam that’s at least a 8 win season. Maybe 9 if they beat Robbinsville.
If Cherokee keeps focuses all of its energy on Murphy and Swain and not building the program then it could fade back to where it was just a short four years ago. They won their first small 1a championship last season. Focus on building the program. Not the rivalry with Swain or Murphy. That will come after they build the program to sustain that level of success.
Ask anyone in Cherokee and they could go 1-10 and they will call that a great season if they beat Swain. I think that holds their program back.
Last season their strength of schedule was the lowest in conference and I think that helped them stay injury free. Which meant they were one of the healthiest teams in conference. Keep that going and they will stay 5-0 vs non conference opponents. Within conference keep beeting Andrews,Rosman and Hayesville. Bam that’s at least a 8 win season. Maybe 9 if they beat Robbinsville.
If Cherokee keeps focuses all of its energy on Murphy and Swain and not building the program then it could fade back to where it was just a short four years ago. They won their first small 1a championship last season. Focus on building the program. Not the rivalry with Swain or Murphy. That will come after they build the program to sustain that level of success.
Ask anyone in Cherokee and they could go 1-10 and they will call that a great season if they beat Swain. I think that holds their program back.
Not sure why you say Mintz was 0-4 1-3 lol I don’t think he played until soph . And maybe Swain should worry about going 500 every year . Cherokee might of had bad strength of schedule but still took Swain to the woodshed . Murphy you have my respect . The last game you beat us . I also think that took an over confident bunch and refocused them . Appreciate it . Our program looks just fine Swain . Glad our kids are coming back
Murphy has had 550+ many times even 600.
For 7 straight years murphy had over 550 until unz stopped counting the EC kids. That is also the last year murphy was in 1aa(until last year). That is also when murphy started winning ships again.
No C-ships for either Swain or Murphy as long as Tarboro is around and as long as Wallace Rose Hill remains 2a.
How many times did you have to take your shoes off to count to 550? You are like a dang broken record. EC this and EC that. Kids go to EC from Andrews, HD, Murphy, and Hayesville. I'd be lying if I said how many kids were there, because I don't know. The only way that you will ever be satisfied is if the NCHSAA created a micro-A for you and Cherokee to play in. That way you could be the King of your tiny Kingdom. Since you're so big into researching numbers, look into how many counties in the state have ECs. It's not a Murphy/Cherokee County thing. On top if that, you say Murphy ships out" kids to the EC. Are you ignorant enough to think Murphy has any say in it? Parents CHOOSE for their kids to go there, then they intervied, then if they're lucky, they go. Ugh!!!!!!
Before the economy tanked huh? That Gentry is good. Crashes the stock market, destroys home values, and creates a school ..... just to be 1A.
I'm not one of the Early College truthers. But to say Murphy has never had 550 or higher, or to deny being around 1.5 times the size of a few other schools in the league most years, just isn't factual. They were over 600 on ADM from 03 to 05, and that wasn't because they hadn't stopped counting EC kids yet, either, since it didn't open until 06.
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Kids? You have one transfer that would not start for Swain this season. I hear he is going to start on the offensive line at Cherokee this season.
I like the fact that Cherokee seems to be underestimating what Swain will do this season and within the next few seasons. I think the majority of people who follow the SMC knows. This is basically the undefeated conference champion swain jv team from two seasons ago who added more talent with seniors and multi sports athletes and has spent the last two years in the weight room. Can’t wait till the season starts. 17 more days.
Good luck to Cherokee this season. My gut tells me Cherokee finishes fourth in the SMC this season behind Swain, Murphy, and Robbinsville. No particular order with these three but we will see how the season shakes out.
I wouldn't look to far into JV play but it is a fair indicator..This group of Swain seniors and juniors were beat by Robbinsville, Hayesville and Murphy in 2015.
In 2016 Swain JVs squeezed out a 26-24 win over Robbinsville .
In 2017 Swain JVs we're destroyed by Robbinsville,Murphy, Andrews,and Hayesville
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Swain will win more ships. So will Robbinsville, and Murphy will win one in 1aa if they stay there for any amount of time. Its hardly the norm when one of those teams are the best in the playoffs. But, they play every game like they are going to win, and often times they do. In the past decade Mitchell has fielded some great teams (as has the SMC), but almost every deep run Mitchell has made has been thwarted by a SMC team. A 2-9 Swain team could make it to the western final, and a 11-0 Mitchell team could get knocked out in the 1st round.
Cherokee fans about to drown in the koolaid.
Cherokee fans are pretty humble I mean it is the first time that they won the thing....but. But that doesn’t have to be the end all. We can still comment on what we think the SMC will be like this year just judging off last year and upcoming years. You can’t take JV wins and losses serious because with 300 kids we don’t have the luxury of leaving alot of freshman down on JV. So a lot of them are sent up to learn and play special teams. So Swain has 550 kids they can praise their JV championships. As for the feller who mentioned some kid transferrring and he wouldn’t even play at Swain... hey we will take what we can get ...that’ll give us 301, and y’all 549. Not exactly hurting ya. Cherokee rocks Swain again this year. Robbinsville will beat Swain as well. Mark my words. Hayesville could possibly beat Swain. Rosman witha. Spread and empty backfield will give them fits.
What has Swain done lately with the transfer rule ?? Go 6-5 every year. You got taken to woodshed last year and you too lost all your offense . Your whole offense was a really good qb and a good receiver. They gone .
JV is a fair indicator but I have seen some teams get better and others drop off. The 2018,2019 and 2020 teams are to be determined. But the potential is there.
Going back to 2015, the jv team was close in every ball game especially the Murphy game. 2016 Robbinsville game was the closest game but the first game of the year. One hitting practice and we only ran five plays over and over during that game. If both teams met at the end of the year it wouldn’t have been that close. Ask Murphy. That was the last game of that season. That showed the progress and the work those boys put into getting better and working as a team. 2017 jv season was a rough one. My opinion is that kids with no jv experience were going against mostly ninth graders. We only had two or three ninth graders on the entire team. One freshman was on varsity the entire season and had an impact on the varsity team.
Going back to 2015, the jv team was close in every ball game especially the Murphy game. 2016 Robbinsville game was the closest game but the first game of the year. One hitting practice and we only ran five plays over and over during that game. If both teams met at the end of the year it wouldn’t have been that close. Ask Murphy. That was the last game of that season. That showed the progress and the work those boys put into getting better and working as a team. 2017 jv season was a rough one. My opinion is that kids with no jv experience were going against mostly ninth graders. We only had two or three ninth graders on the entire team. One freshman was on varsity the entire season and had an impact on the varsity team.
Haha. We were co champs with Cherokee and Murphy last season. I like the competitive conference we are in but don’t forget we went 5-1 in conference last season. Also had a tough non conference schedule. Why does Cherokee not play Franklin or Tuscola?
This is laughable. Murphy has beat all three of these teams in the last 12 years and will beat them again. North Stanly has a once in generation team (for them) and will go back to being irrelevant starting next year. North Rowan doesn't even belong in this discussion, they've done absolutely nothing as a program since they dropped to 1A.
East Wilkes will never win a football state championship in my lifetime, no matter who is 2A, 1AA or 1A.
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Say what you want about the schedule but it got us ready to hammer you guys . It prob a lot easier to play those teams when u got 600 kids to pull from for depth we got 300 .
Those wilkes county teams are pathetic, football is very weak in that area.
All the SMC teams that have lost to Elkin in the playoffs over the years might beg to differ...
Elkin High is on the Surry side of the county line, but it draws from the Elkin city limits, which includes parts of Wilkes and Surry. All the stuff you keep correcting me about takes a 10 second google to find out.
Maybe you should have googled it wise one. You're the one who implied it was in Wilkes. Historically they robbed players from Starmount in Yadkin County. Anyway, keep on being the smartest poster on here. You're obviously beyond being corrected.
Google it so I would've seen "The Elkin City Schools system is a PK–12 graded school district located in the town of Elkin, North Carolina which lies on the border of Wilkes and Surry counties."? The post was about Wilkes County area teams, are you seriously saying you wouldn't include a school that draws from Wilkes County in that because of the side of town it sits on?
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