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Never good to hear about stuff like this.
Although i am disappointed and upset about it even happening, i am at least a little relieved to know that the seniors will still be able to fight for a conference title and try to make a playoff run.
Although i am disappointed and upset about it even happening, i am at least a little relieved to know that the seniors will still be able to fight for a conference title and try to make a playoff run.
Does Guilford County Schools have a system wide AD beside the individual school AD's? Maybe its me but it seems they have more situations such as this than most systems.
Yes they do have a County AD. Doubt he gets to involved in day to day operations of each school.
https://www.greensboro.com/sports/h...cle_3606c982-b794-11e8-a9d5-034fb28b2c3f.html
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Not that difficult with PowerSchool. The old days it might have slipped. Unless these kids transferred in and was a semester issue, it should be simple to get this done.
Page's AD has been at the school for 27 years, so he is an old school guy. Not sure if he was up to date with the latest technology, which maybe one of the reasons why he is resigning....
Do you think 1 County AD who is over every sport not just Football can keep up with every school in the counties player grades? In the end it is up to 1 person to make sure and that is the schools Head Coach. He is responsible to make sure all of his players qualify to participate in the sport. The AD should be there to help if needed. Also, If its too much work for 1 or 2 men they needs to get a couple faculty assistant coaches to help as well. Before you think of any football plays, workouts, or anything grades and qualifying come 1st. Page got lucky they found it now and not a few weeks from now where it may have cost them their season such as Dudley did a few years back with the 8 Qtr rule.
I doubt that an AD at a school like Page is not up to date with Every procedure and technology.
The head coaches job is to coach not chase papers. This is the problem in Guilford county if the head coach is doing all the paper work, that is the AD's job or should be. My one year in Guilford county I did the paperwork checked residence records lined the fields ect and it blew my mind. These jobs were done by the AD's in Forsyth county and I often wondered what are the AD's getting paid for?. 8 QT sheets are checked and handled by AD' s here in Forsyth county. Resident records come through guidance grades and attendance are the AD's job not the head coach, maybe that's why Forsyth county has had fewer of these incidences than Guilford county
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Don't know the reasons but it's a fact that Guilford County has more problems with academically ineligible athletes (at least in football), than any other system I have heard about...this goes back to the early 2000's............................
In 2008 Charlotte Meck assistant superintendent, Mo Green, was hired as the superintendent for Guilford County. He stated after a short time in the position that people point at Charlotte Meck for eligibility issues but it was just as bad in Guilford County.
Some people tried to make it seem like Page was trying to gain an advantage on the field by having academically ineligible players in the program, but it was only a mistake in the paperwork. The two players in question didnt see playing time. Mistakes happened, its not ideal, but Rusty has been a great AD for 27 years at Page. I thank him for everything he has done at Page. He was also my PE coach, freshman year. He is retiring on Oct 1, and i wish him the best!
They have them the new papers blow everything out of proportion and the NCHSAA belives the new papers and their bad reporters
It sucks that Football Coach has to chase so many papers in today's game but I ultimately have to disagree with you in a way SammyK. It's the Head Coaches job to make sure that every player that suits up for him have good grades and are all eligible to play on Thursday and Friday nights. If you are not going to keep up with player folders and all of their grades you better hope you have someone in place there that you can trust 100%. Cause at the end of the day being 1-4 comes back to 1 person and 1 person alone and that's the Head Football Coach.
Its no different than Dudley with the 8 Qtr disqualification from the playoffs a few years back. Everyone knew they weren't getting an advantage on the football field on Friday night. But at the end of the day the rules are clear and each team must follow them or pay the price.
It is the ADs job to check that I mean if not him or her what are they getting paid for ? Coaches are not allowed PowerSchool administrator access in Forsyth maybe that is different in Guilford county but I don't think so. So my question is if the head football coach is coaching doing laundry painting fields driving busses teaching a full load and checking eligibility why do you have ADs in Guilford county? What is their job? And maybe the reason Forsyth has had fewer of these offenses is because the ADs do that job. I do believe that AD's in Guilford county are 11 months possibly 12 if they are not in charge of checking eligibility what is that supplement for ? If this is the expectation of Guilford county coaches maybe the district should give them an extra planning period or two or cough up some extra cash for coaching supplements or both
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Greensboro and Charlotte are bigger cities than Winston-Salem.. There are far more kids with lesser means and i guess you'd say lesser guidance, so there are more situations of kids/athletes having more troubles with grades and discipline.That is probably the reason why forsyth county has had less troubles with eligibility issues. Also Meck and Guilford County have more strict academic eligibility rules than the rest of the state. 2.0 rule, etc. At a school like Page, and many others, and I remember Gillespie saying this himself, it was his job to make sure HIS players paperwork had every i dotted and t crossed, and to make sure everything was clean, because they are his players. this is done before the season starts, so its supposed to be out of the way before the bulk of the coaching starts. It is also on the AD, but because the football program is so large, it is on the coach, mostly.
ok I see what you are trying to explain NW Guilford is the same size as West Forsyth. Page is the same size as East Forsyth Grimsley is the same size as RJ Renyolds Reagan is bigger than Ragsdale Ect ect so there are more kids but the schools even though there are more many of them are the same size so I see bigger schools more kids but didn't Andrews have this problem a few years back the smallest school in the county ? Not one of the big 4A schools but a 2A school? Also Winston Salem has a 2.0 policy as well. Now I am not sure if they are the same but there is a policy none the less that has to be checked by the AD. Now on to Gillespie maybe that's why he left because he was tired of doing an AD's job and not getting paid for it. The eligibility should go to the AD and if not what are the ADs in Guilford county getting paid to do? I am not saying anyone cheated I am not saying that the coaches in Guilford countries don't work hard. I am asking what do the ADs in Guilford County do if the football coaches at those schools does the paperwork?
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At the end of the day, mistakes were made, and you learn from it, move forward, and as a fan you hope the higher powers correct it and that it doesn't happen again. like i said earlier, its unfortunate and it sucks for everyone involved, but at least it didn't happen at the end of the season, and the team can still fight for a conference title and a run in the playoffs.
I am on board with you on that , I think Page will be fine . Not what I was trying to say
Were you talking about at risk kids? Forsyth has a ton of those as well . Sorry for the responses up watching film college football and reading this
Half the players on Wake Forests roster are in the country illegally. However, Wake Forest is a sanctuary high school.
I see what you're saying SammyK. Yes it's the ADs job to help make sure everything is done correctly and help the HC so he can coach. But, at the end of the day you have to agree with me that being 1-4 the only person feeling that heat is the Head Coach. With that said that's why it's so important the HC goes behind everyone and makes sure his program is being run to his standards.
Is this an 8 quarter rule violation or academic issue? I know Guilford County put in a 2.0 rule (must have 2.0 GPA or higher to participate) which I fully support.
I think it should be a minimum of 2.5. A 2.0 GPA is a joke.
@sammyk I agree with you. At best it should be a collaborative effort with the AD not solely the coaches job.
I don't believe it's as much a size of school issue or demographics issue more so than it is a systems issue.
Too many instances of schools in Guilford Co. regardless of size having these issues. It makes sense it's the system.
I'd like to understand what the AD's in Guilford Co. responsibilities are myself if they don't include eligibility issues? I figure that was par for the course for them.
I don't believe it's as much a size of school issue or demographics issue more so than it is a systems issue.
Too many instances of schools in Guilford Co. regardless of size having these issues. It makes sense it's the system.
I'd like to understand what the AD's in Guilford Co. responsibilities are myself if they don't include eligibility issues? I figure that was par for the course for them.
The good news is that it got caught early. Kids still have a shot at playoffs and going deep. Means winning on road but its been done. Worst case scenario is it gets caught before last game of season.
Not in any other county I have worked in it has been the ADs responsibility to check eligibility and if not the AD then why have an AD
Page self reported the ineligible players, and the NCHSAA still has not ruled the forfeits officially according to the GSO News & Record.
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