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My realignment proposal

I have posted my realignment proposal for conferences on my web site. It's not perfect, but no plan is going to make everybody happy.

Let me know what you think of it, and if you have any suggestions for improvements, I will certainly listen.

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Wouldnt it be easier to switch Kings Mountain and Ashbrook with East and North Lincoln. Would make two non split conferences.
 
Some suggestions I think might work decent:

SW Onslow in 4A Conference 1

Red Springs and Fairmont in 3A Conference 2

Midway, Princeton, and Goldsboro all in 2A Conference 4

Union and possibly Lakewood in 3A Conference 4
 
I have posted my realignment proposal for conferences on my web site. It's not perfect, but no plan is going to make everybody happy.

Let me know what you think of it, and if you have any suggestions for improvements, I will certainly listen.

Here is the link:

why have 2 8A teams in the Raleigh area ruin a conference? Stick those guys in the other 2 8A conferences.
 
Cardinal Gibbons in 6A would be a travesty. Players whose parents PAY to keep them OUT of public schools would win at least 10 “public school” state championships every year. Place them in 8A along with Catholic - or, even better, kick them out of the NCHSAA. Also, having South Brunswick (5A) and West Brunswick (6A) in the same conference with Hoggard (8A), Laney (8A), New Hanover (7A), Ashley (7A), Topsail (7A) and North Brunswick (7A) is extremely unfair to those smaller schools. If I was coaching at South or West and I knew I had the conference’s #1 seed already locked up before the season began, I would play 3 absolute cupcakes to get 3 wins and then play my starters against the 2 or 3 conference teams I though I could beat to get to 5 wins and thus go .500 and be seeded with the conference champs. I would play my backups and JV players against Hoggard, Laney, NHHS and whoever else was good in the conference. Why risk injury when the other 5A and 6A teams are not required to play 2 8A schools and 4 7A schools inside their conference? Conversely, if I was one of the 8A schools I would not like Hoggard getting to rest starters for the second half of most conference games. 8A schools should be in conferences with only 8A schools. It is a perk to have only 31 other 8A teams to compete against to win a state title and that perk should include more travel.
 
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Cardinal Gibbons in 6A would be a travesty. Players whose parents PAY to keep them OUT of public schools would win at least 10 “public school” state championships every year. Place them in 8A along with Catholic - or, even better, kick them out of the NCHSAA. Also, having South Brunswick (5A) and West Brunswick (6A) in the same conference with Hoggard (8A), Laney (8A), New Hanover (7A), Ashley (7A), Topsail (7A) and North Brunswick (7A) is extremely unfair to those smaller schools. If I was coaching at South or West and I knew I had the conference’s #1 seed already locked up before the season began, I would play 3 absolute cupcakes to get 3 wins and then play my starters against the 2 or 3 conference teams I though I could beat to get to 5 wins and thus go .500 and be seeded with the conference champs. I would play my backups and JV players against Hoggard, Laney, NHHS and whoever else was good in the conference. Why risk injury when the other 5A and 6A teams are not required to play 2 8A schools and 4 7A schools inside their conference? Conversely, if I was one of the 8A schools I would not like Hoggard getting to rest starters for the second half of most conference games. 8A schools should be in conferences with only 8A schools. It is a perk to have only 31 other 8A teams to compete against to win a state title and that perk should include more travel.
The only problem with Hoggard and Laney is that the next closest 8A school is Corinth Holders in the northwestern side of Johnston County
 
The only problem with Hoggard and Laney is that the next closest 8A school is Corinth Holders in the northwestern side of Johnston County

Correct. What wins the debate……travel time/travel expenses/effect on academics v. competitive integrity/player safety/fairness of athletic opportunity?

My opinion is that the 8A schools have a huge perk in having fewer schools to beat for a championship and they have an inherent recruiting advantage in the parts of the state where there are potentially split conferences - “Come play in the big leagues.” The 8A schools that would potentially be in split conferences are much bigger and have plenty of resources to travel and provide academic support for their athletes. There should be 2 8A conferences in the East and 2 8A conferences in the West with each conference having 8 schools. Those 32 should include Cardinal Gibbons and Catholic.
 
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The purpose of the realignment is to put like size schools together. Why would the NCHSAA put schools from three divisions in the same league? That goes against what they are trying to accomplish overall as they now have schools with 500+ or more students difference in the same leagues. I know that distance and travel cost is a major factor (only factor for some principals) for schools and they will have to decide between saving money and competing in sports. May not be able to do both if you are a very rural or small school that is isolated from others the same size.
 
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Don’t see any way our current conference gets dismantled. And I certainly don’t think it would be for an Iredell/Davie conference. I suspect Mooresville and Lake Norman would fight that heavily
 
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Don’t see any way our current conference gets dismantled. And I certainly don’t think it would be for an Iredell/Davie conference. I suspect Mooresville and Lake Norman would fight that heavily
Davie not in the conference with the WS schools would be very weird. Nothing against Mooresville area, but the gates and travel time for Davie is a big plus.
 
Davie not in the conference with the WS schools would be very weird. Nothing against Mooresville area, but the gates and travel time for Davie is a big plus.
Nothing against Davie, but after last year this conference is the last thing we hoped for lol.
 
NCHSAA was expanding. The lawmakers did not force eight. If the lawmakers had their way you would have seen the parochials separated out. That was a hot topic during the hearings.
I thought when they limited the number of schools per classification, that made the 6 classifications impossible.
 
I thought when they limited the number of schools per classification, that made the 6 classifications impossible.
I am not as involved as I once was but my understanding that there was a lot of wiggle room on number of teams per classification such as only counting schools with football. Eight equals 512 schools and with the opening of schools in a few metro areas and the continued charter explosion that number will be hit in hit iin the next few years.

I thought when they were at seven the plan was going to be a classification with non football playing schools but that did not happen. Was never put out that way but was a thought.

Football should be aligned by itself and all other sports aligned. Football requires very little travel during the week, minimal bad weather travel, and some schools do not field a team. The NCHSAA did offer this about a dozen years ago but it was met with negativity from the schools.

The whole thing is a farce until somehting is done with small schools (1A and 2A in current classifications and maybe 3A) having students from outside the geographical district and schools using a 25 mile district (charters). This is not only charters and parochials but some traditional public districted schools as well. With Corvian making the title game possiby even more complaints will come in.
 
I would love to see a separate playoff for parochials/charters, or if they remain with the public schools, give them a "penalty" - either play up 1 class or penalize their ADM by 25% or more for realignment.

In racing sometimes there is what’s called an open class. What if there was an “open class” in the NCHSAA where parochial/charters play along with schools that have _____% of transfers into their program. If for no other sport, at least have this for football. Is virtually impossible for schools that don’t have transfers to ever compete with schools that do. This would leave the traditional classes to those schools that have no transfers or maybe only a small amount, say like 1-3 players per year.

I believe we need something in place to level the playing field. Those schools that get in a lot of transfers operate in a similar style to the parochial and charters.
 
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Still think the best option for our unique state is instead of making more classification decrease it to 3. Then you don't have split conferences. And with 3 classes the schools/area that fluctuate often you don't have to move them around to different classes over the years. Play in your class for conference and non conference classifications only. Then for Football, Volleyball, Girls Basketball, Boys Basketball, Baseball and Softball split 3 classes into 6. Use those adm numbers of the current year to split and then use RPI to seed. Top 64 teams make the playoffs 32 East/ 32 West. Doesn’t matter what you finish in the conference. Play tough non-conferences if your conference teams are weak.
All other sports compete for one of the three. Track, tennis, golf, wrestling and XC championships would be super competitive and get a real champion. Our state is going to have 8 150lb state champions. Really, are you a state champion when there are 7 more?
 
Still think the best option for our unique state is instead of making more classification decrease it to 3. Then you don't have split conferences. And with 3 classes the schools/area that fluctuate often you don't have to move them around to different classes over the years. Play in your class for conference and non conference classifications only. Then for Football, Volleyball, Girls Basketball, Boys Basketball, Baseball and Softball split 3 classes into 6. Use those adm numbers of the current year to split and then use RPI to seed. Top 64 teams make the playoffs 32 East/ 32 West. Doesn’t matter what you finish in the conference. Play tough non-conferences if your conference teams are weak.
All other sports compete for one of the three. Track, tennis, golf, wrestling and XC championships would be super competitive and get a real champion. Our state is going to have 8 150lb state champions. Really, are you a state champion when there are 7 more?
Three subdividing to six team sport state titles was presented about 14 years ago along with the football / all other sports dual alignment. Schools were heavily opposed. I thought it was as near a perfect mix as you could get.

I also liked an idea of four classifications and then football would subdivide to six divisions for the playoffs. Their classification alignment would have nothing to do with what division they were placed in the playoffs. This could have been done with other sports, also.
 
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Still think the best option for our unique state is instead of making more classification decrease it to 3. Then you don't have split conferences. And with 3 classes the schools/area that fluctuate often you don't have to move them around to different classes over the years. Play in your class for conference and non conference classifications only. Then for Football, Volleyball, Girls Basketball, Boys Basketball, Baseball and Softball split 3 classes into 6. Use those adm numbers of the current year to split and then use RPI to seed. Top 64 teams make the playoffs 32 East/ 32 West. Doesn’t matter what you finish in the conference. Play tough non-conferences if your conference teams are weak.
All other sports compete for one of the three. Track, tennis, golf, wrestling and XC championships would be super competitive and get a real champion. Our state is going to have 8 150lb state champions. Really, are you a state champion when there are 7 more?
Needs to be subdivided for soccer playoffs and the duals playoffs for wrestling and tennis as well (all "team" sports). Having an individual champion for those individual events is something the state used to do. Probably need lots of qualifiers for something like golf, so teams can qualify and get a team champion and then rotate play among several different courses to make it fair. Other tournaments would probably be held over three or four days at one site.
 
Needs to be subdivided for soccer playoffs and the duals playoffs for wrestling and tennis as well (all "team" sports). Having an individual champion for those individual events is something the state used to do. Probably need lots of qualifiers for something like golf, so teams can qualify and get a team champion and then rotate play among several different courses to make it fair. Other tournaments would probably be held over three or four days at one site.
Track would do individual champions in the three classes and subdivide for the relays in the six divisions. My preferance was individual events (track, wrestling, tennis singles, golf) have one champion and subdivide out for the relays. Iget a wrestler at a small 1A school does not have as much to work with teammate wise in most cases but going to eight is ABSURD.
 
Track would do individual champions in the three classes and subdivide for the relays in the six divisions. My preferance was individual events (track, wrestling, tennis singles, golf) have one champion and subdivide out for the relays. Iget a wrestler at a small 1A school does not have as much to work with teammate wise in most cases but going to eight is ABSURD.
Subdividing for relays makes sense as bigger schools would have an advantage in getting four runners.
Anyone who loves athletics should try to go to the state track meet, BTW. I missed last year, but the previous two years before that there were some great performances by spectacular athletes.
 
Subdividing for relays makes sense as bigger schools would have an advantage in getting four runners.
Anyone who loves athletics should try to go to the state track meet, BTW. I missed last year, but the previous two years before that there were some great performances by spectacular athletes.
Miss the days of the open class wrestling and track championships. Did not like the lack of subdivided relays but the individual were the best of the best, four from the east and four from the west.
 
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Miss the days of the open class wrestling and track championships. Did not like the lack of subdivided relays but the individual were the best of the best, four from the east and four from the west.
You are correct. Corvian is gonna be the next school under scrutiny. To make the title game in 3 years and win it in basketball is amazing. They should be in 2A though IMHO.
 
I'm just in a mind set that less is sometimes more. I wish the state would reduce the number of games/events across all sports. These long seasons are burning out coaches, players, administration and field space. We got football championship this weekend and some schools are already playing in a basketball holiday tournament. Why are high school boys playing football from let's face it late july to the mid of December? I get it that less games means less money. But it also means less travel and less money having to be put out. Most schools are losing money having to play all these games. Turning the lights on costs money. And now with the state of high school athletics some athletic departments are paying out to get staff members to work doors, take tickets and open concessions. I would like to see football going to 8 regular and double sports seasons to 16-20 and reduce the number of conference teams to 6.
 
I'm just in a mind set that less is sometimes more. I wish the state would reduce the number of games/events across all sports. These long seasons are burning out coaches, players, administration and field space. We got football championship this weekend and some schools are already playing in a basketball holiday tournament. Why are high school boys playing football from let's face it late july to the mid of December? I get it that less games means less money. But it also means less travel and less money having to be put out. Most schools are losing money having to play all these games. Turning the lights on costs money. And now with the state of high school athletics some athletic departments are paying out to get staff members to work doors, take tickets and open concessions. I would like to see football going to 8 regular and double sports seasons to 16-20 and reduce the number of conference teams to 6.
I don't know any coach that would like that. I have heard coaches say they would like more games, especially in non football sports.
 
Track would do individual champions in the three classes and subdivide for the relays in the six divisions. My preferance was individual events (track, wrestling, tennis singles, golf) have one champion and subdivide out for the relays. Iget a wrestler at a small 1A school does not have as much to work with teammate wise in most cases but going to eight is ABSURD.
You do realize that currently it is harder for kids at the 4-A level to make states than it is to qualify for Nationals. We had a kid make all-state 3 years ago, now for another kid to qualify in the same event he has to break that other guys school record and then some just to qualify for states.
 
Still think the best option for our unique state is instead of making more classification decrease it to 3. Then you don't have split conferences.
That may eliminate split conferences, but the disparity in ADM's between the largest and smallest schools in a conference remains.
 
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You do realize that currently it is harder for kids at the 4-A level to make states than it is to qualify for Nationals. We had a kid make all-state 3 years ago, now for another kid to qualify in the same event he has to break that other guys school record and then some just to qualify for states.
Not a fan when they went to the prelims on the day of the finals. Would prefer to see qualifying handled differently.

Qualifying and competing for a victory or a spot in the finals are big differences With the addition of the other "national" meets I expect the qualifying standards were loosened plus more entry fees.
 
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I don't know any coach that would like that. I have heard coaches say they would like more games, especially in non football sports.
I'm a basketball coach and I've never heard a coach say "man I wish we could play more games". We don't need so many games, we don't need to start playing games while half the schools are still playing football. Shorten it all a week or two.

It's ridiculous how big the overlap is. Kids in the championship this weekend will miss half the dang basketball season. Imagine being a basketball recruit but stuck in football still because you play that too.
 
I'm a basketball coach and I've never heard a coach say "man I wish we could play more games". We don't need so many games, we don't need to start playing games while half the schools are still playing football. Shorten it all a week or two.

It's ridiculous how big the overlap is. Kids in the championship this weekend will miss half the dang basketball season. Imagine being a basketball recruit but stuck in football still because you play that too.
Total agreement. One of the most successful high school coahes in NC and SC history told me there are too many games. He likes for his players to play other sports. I wish there were ten regular season games and four playoff games. Make sure the deserving teams make the playoffs and make qualifying mean something. With eight classes that should be easy. I can tell you every time reducing playoffs spots has been mentioned the football coaches were not in favor of it.

I always thought basketball, baseball, and softball should let them play more if the school/coach wants to especially with the pitch count now in baseball.
 
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