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I have a question for Mallard Creek football fans about Zamir White and Quavaris Crouch. Both of those kids are great players obviously. You guys have seen both. Did you try to defend those guys differently or the same? What are their similarities and differences once you seen them on the field? Last were any of you surprised at the physicality of those guys when each ran the ball? Your thoughts are appreciated. Thanks.
 
I actually asked some of the players on defense their thoughts on the two. We could tackle Crouch if one of us slowed him down.They also knew they could run him down in the open field. Zamir was a different animal. He ran hard and shifty and no one was catching him once he got to the open field. Huge difference between the two. Zamir could score from anywhere on the field.

My personnel opinion I believe Crouch would have a better career at LB. The kid is a grown man, who's still growing. He will not be able to run with that style on the college level. He wouldn't last. I believe more schools are recruiting him as a LB than RB. He's also no longer listed as the #1 RB for the class of 2019 by Rivals, 24/7 or Scout. I believe there are a few kids with better hips that will pass him on the recruiting board at RB.
 
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Great assessment only seen highlights of crouch he looks like a DE running the ball. The thing about Zamir he literally makes you hold your breath if you are the opposing team every time he touches the ball. WM got with in 6 and they just knew they were back in business. He goes 65 first play after the kickoff. That is demoralizing because you know a miscue is the only way you are going to stop that kid. He is a lot better than he was last year IMO. Still fast and strong but the vision and that lateral jump cut or stop takes him to a different level. Would hate to be WM this week again. Last week Thunder and Lightning - This week a mack truck headed down hill. Not a lot of kids saying put me in coach this week -lol.
 
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Both great backs. I think Crouch could be a great back in college in the right system but the battering rams have become less of a hot commodity with the changes in the vertical game. We didnt get a chance to see it much in the Creek game because they kept him bottled up pretty well but against Gaffney and Hough you saw the quick feet and the spin move. Crazy tough kid. 37 carries agains a very good Creek defense and also played 70% of the defensive snaps. The last 3 minutes of the game the kid carried 8 straight times and took some monster shots and kept trucking. he would be an elite DE/OLB if he decided to go that route. Could easily get to 230-240 on that frame. Fast twitch muscles are off the chart.

Zamir is Saquen Barkley of Penn State. Bigger stronger version of Bryce Love. Much faster than Todd Gurley. He is the one kid that takes position defense and a great kicking game off the board because he is always one touch from taking it the distance. Only seen one high school kid with that kind of accelration and that was a DB.

It was a pleasure to watch both kids play.
 
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I was impressed with Zamir's burst after he appeared slowed. Really quick acceleration.

Only guy I have seen like that was a long time ago, William Humes in the 80s at Erwin. He went on to UNC where Crum benched him for fumblitis before getting injured. Dude was the 100m state champ for a long time.
 
Don't think William Humes ever made it to a state final in track. Played at Asheville Erwin HS.
 
I will defer to your expertise since you went there and I am old and at times senile. I do remember Humes being very fast. We watched them in the playoffs one year and the fastest kid by far for Erwin was a white receiver, Derrick Deshay(?). That kid was lightning quick.

perhaps the best athlete I saw up there was Carl Pickens. Not as fast as Humes, but that was an outstanding HS football athlete.
 
I think if Crouch can work on that speed and acceleration a little bit more he will definitely be more elite than he already is. But he is an all right baller he is a pure football player. He plays both side and plays them at a high level. Zamir on the other hand is a complete ball player and excels on every aspect at the RB position. That kid is already a college all American playing against high schoolers
 
Is Zamir faster than Kelvin Bryant was at Carolina in his prime? Just asking would love to see Zamir play.
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Hard to say without stats on Bryant.

Here is what we do know. Zamir ran the 100 meters in 10.58 seconds when he was in 10th grade in the eastern regional meet. He didn’t run in 11th due to a hamstring injury and we won’t see him run this year since he plans to enroll early.

So, 10.58 is the top time he has posted. The 4A state champion in 2017 ran 10.67.

10.58 would have made it past the preliminary round of heats at the 2016 Olympics

100m times of notable NFL players (wind legal times) in their high school or college years.

10.26 - Deion Sanders
10.44 - Bo Jackson
10.56 - Adrian Peterson
10.59 - Andre Johnson
10.62 - Devin Hester

So, don’t know about Bryant, but it’s safe to say Zamir has elite speed. I think most of us that have watched him can safely say that he is a bit faster than he was as a 10th grader despite weighing about 20 lbs more. But even is he is still a 10.58 100 meter guy, he’s among elite company.

Praying he stays healthy and we can see him reach his full potential at the next level(s)
 
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Hard to say without stats on Bryant.

Here is what we do know. Zamir ran the 100 meters in 10.58 seconds when he was in 10th grade in the eastern regional meet. He didn’t run in 11th due to a hamstring injury and we won’t see him run this year since he plans to enroll early.

So, 10.58 is the top time he has posted. The 4A state champion in 2017 ran 10.67.

10.58 would have made it past the preliminary round of heats at the 2016 Olympics

100m times of notable NFL players (wind legal times) in their high school or college years.

10.26 - Deion Sanders
10.44 - Bo Jackson
10.56 - Adrian Peterson
10.59 - Andre Johnson
10.62 - Devin Hester

So, don’t know about Bryant, but it’s safe to say Zamir has elite speed. I think most of us that have watched him can safely say that he is a bit faster than he was as a 10th grader despite weighing about 20 lbs more. But even is he is still a 10.58 100 meter guy, he’s among elite company.

Praying he stays healthy and we can see him reach his full potential at the next level(s)
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You have to be careful when using high school track times as a reference in comparison. In NC high school track times aren't reliable because you do not usually run on the electronic timer until the state championships. All the other meets usually use hand held stop watches which will give you a more impressive time. A lot of guys are 10.5 guys on stop watches but run 11.0/11.1 when electronically timed. Same thing with 40 times.
 
Being they have electronic timing equipment at some regular season meets, I would assume they were there at an eastern regional. Electronic or not, he finished 6th in the state finals as a 10th grader. The 10.58 was also ran at the state championship prelim heats, which I assume were electronically timed too. I guess next it would be the wind...wind was within range to be considered non wind aided. We all clear now?

Oh, and the page the nfl info cane from noted hand timed times and non of these were noted as such.
 
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Hard to say without stats on Bryant.
So, 10.58 is the top time he has posted. The 4A state champion in 2017 ran 10.67.

10.58 would have made it past the preliminary round of heats at the 2016 Olympics
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Just so people understand this. Every country is allowed to send a set number of athletes to participate regardless of the qualifying aspect. In track and field the event is normally the 100 meter dash. They have a preliminary round that allows runners that have not met the standard to participate race. They are only in the event to fill a country slot. Correct, 10.84 was the slowest time to qualify into Round 1. The slowest time to qualify from Round 1 to Round 2 was 10.20.

The qualifying time to enter the US Olympic Trials was 10.16 in 2016. Must be ran on a electronic timing device that meets IAAF standards. The trials competition committee can make exceptions.
 
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Being they have electronic timing equipment at some regular season meets, I would assume they were there at an eastern regional. Electronic or not, he finished 6th in the state finals as a 10th grader. The 10.58 was also ran at the state championship prelim heats, which I assume were electronically timed too. I guess next it would be the wind...wind was within range to be considered non wind aided. We all clear now?

Oh, and the page the nfl info cane from noted hand timed times and non of these were noted as such.
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I was just noting a fact when people compare times especially when comparing track times. You can unclench your butt cheeks now...
 
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You have to be careful when using high school track times as a reference in comparison. In NC high school track times aren't reliable because you do not usually run on the electronic timer until the state championships. All the other meets usually use hand held stop watches which will give you a more impressive time. A lot of guys are 10.5 guys on stop watches but run 11.0/11.1 when electronically timed. Same thing with 40 times.
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Every NC track regional, and state championships are electronic timed. No stopwatchs are use for these times. A few track invitationals have electronic timing depending on. Who's holding the event, taco bell invitation, Queen city relays to name a few who do.
 
To clarify what people often think is electronic timing is actually manual timing using an electronic digital clock setup.

True electronic timing constitutes the starters gun being electronically attached to the timing device. The times are determined by its photo finish mechanism. At no point does a person's reflex or judgement have any determination in the start or stop of the timing device.

In NC electronic timing is normally standard st the regional and state meets.
 
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To clarify what people often think is electronic timing is actually manual timing using an electronic digital clock setup.

True electronic timing constitutes the starters gun being electronically attached to the timing device. The times are determined by its photo finish mechanism. At no point does a person's reflex or judgement have any determination in the start or stop of the timing device.

In NC electronic timing is normally standard st the regional and state meets.
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I agree but regional track times were not always electronically timed in NC. Not sure what year it switched over for regionals. I am too lazy to research that right now. I never said anyone wasnt fast but when people start comparing unofficial times from different eras and referencing elite world class athletes than we need to bring some levity to the conversation. Also I know a NC school that has the school 100m record being held by someone who actually ran the 100 YARD dash in his era. Just food for thought.
 
I am a track man, Zamir 10.5 is legit; it was electronic, he has gotten faster. Tim Worley ran a 10.85 in the state championship in 1983 4th place. Zamir is a man amongst little boys; from a former Raider.
 
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I think the 100 yd dash was converted to meters in like 80 or 81. My father has the 100 yd. dash record at Richmond Sr. 9.4 and meters record at 10.3. I think you can only break that record in the state championship because it was electronic. That record has been at RC since 1981.
 
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I have got to see Zamir play one time. When is next big home game. I live in Columbus county. I remember Amos Lawrence and Kelvin Bryant play at Carolina,Crum said kelvin was fastest back he had coached but not running over people,runs around them . Hiesman candidate before getting hurt at GT that Saturday. White must be very special man. Georgia great fit,Alabama would have too. I will see him play this year.
 
Since Scotland has only had one home game this year, there are plenty remaining.

10/6 hoke
10/13 71st
10/20 pinecrest
11/3 richmond
 
Zamir didn't play much at all in the creek game. Hillside and west meck, he has seen a few more touches. The kid is amazing to watch, he can take off wide open or stop and turn one dime. Mc Queen is an awesome running back as well that will probably play an LB position in college. He hits with a power of thunder when he is playing defense. We have some amazing talent ove here in Scotland county. 2 great midddle school coaches and Rec coaches get them prepare for HS.Keep eye on #6 wall. His skills are getting sharper every game. There is some real good talent that hasn't even played much this year on the side line.
 
Zamir’s 10.58 100m as a sophomore in the east regionals



His 200m win at the conference track meet



Pic of him and his 4x100 teammates 10th grade year

 
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you must not have seen rico dowdle from ac reynolds. whew he was lightning fast. could score from anywhere on the field against anybody. nobody caught him from behind. hes the starting tailback for the gamecocks now.. he started last year as a freshman for them to
 
Saw Dowdle in the Shrine Bowl. Great RB but about 20lbs smaller than Zamir and I think Zamir is faster though not by enough to matter.
 
Agreed. As high school seniors Zamir bigger and stronger. More complete back.
 
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