Just seeing how everyone feels about your team being in the conference it’s in. Would you like for it be the same or prefer different teams being involved. I’m sure some would want it to stay the same and others not.
Conference change or not
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I enjoy a Catawba/Lincoln County conference...but i also like a sprinkle of something new. Drop west caldwell and give us East Gaston.
I just had a bright (debatable) idea...automatic yearly schedule based off the previous year's rankings. 10 games, 1 played up, 1 played down, 8 in classification.
You'd have to play around with the formula...set boundaries...make exceptions for outliers...but it may be crazy enough to be brilliant...I'll start playing with it this week
You'd have to play around with the formula...set boundaries...make exceptions for outliers...but it may be crazy enough to be brilliant...I'll start playing with it this week
Cleveland/Lincoln/Rutherford conference. Plus East Gaston. Burns, Shelby, Chase, East Rutherford, RS Central, Lincolnton, West Lincoln, East Gaston. It is laughable that we have to play Cherryville, Bessemer City, Thomas Jefferson and Highland Tech. It’s fine in the other sports but just a total joke in football.
Yes, VERY laughable for you and Shelby. A 1A/2A with Cherryville, Highland Tech, Bessemer City, TJ, RS, East Rutherford, and Chase would’t have been sooo bad, but Shelby and Burns is absolutely insane!
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I can’t speak for the others but really don’t mind the conference we are in. Yeah miss the competitiveness of the ECC and the traditional rivalries but WRH will always be on the schedule and from what I heard earlier in the future ED or JK maybe both will be non conf opponents so not really missing out.
This isn't any of my teams but Carver, Bishop, and Winston-Salem Prep have to get out of that football conference they are in with the Charlotte area charter schools. The travel for that is ridiculous.
How hard would it have been to put Highland Tech, Cherryville, Bessemer City and Thomas Jefferson with Mountain Island Charter and the rest of those Charlotte area schools. You know, like it was in 2017-2021? They claim they were trying to save travel with our conference, but how is sending Thomas Jefferson to East Gaston saving travel?
I miss the old Southwest 3A conference of my days back in the early and mid 80s.
Burns
Shelby
Crest
Kings Mtn
RS Central
East Rutherford
Chase
South Point
North Gaston
East Gaston
Burns
Shelby
Crest
Kings Mtn
RS Central
East Rutherford
Chase
South Point
North Gaston
East Gaston
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I appreciate the idea. I am betting Shelby would hate it. You are also forcing Lincolnton to choose from East Lincoln, North Lincoln, and South Point. Sorry North Gaston. Lincolnton would probably try and add Cherryville or Bessemer City as their one down. Would those schools want to add that game as their one up? Finally for Maiden who you picking as your one up? St. Stephens? Foard? My guess is Watauga would try and play a team further up 321.
Do 1A schools play small private schools and 4A schools get to go out of state in order to play up?
I'm speaking about an automated schedule based off of how you finished the previous year. Ain't no choosing about it...you get what you get.
Again, just for fun.
Maybe no games up or down.
Also...the West would be split into two groups geographically, as would the east
I’ve always said it doesn’t make any sense that Lincoln and Cleveland play each other in middle school and then conferences change.
I was c/o 1995 and had a brutal schedule in the Southwest 3A at RS Central. All of those except Crest (4A), Chase (2A), and East Gaston made up the SW 3A then. Tony Scott and the rest of the Bulldogs were the 3A State Champions that year! Crest was the 4A State Champion. And I think Lincolnton finished 2nd in 2A. The 30 mile radius from Shelby has put out sooo many great teams over the years!
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I was a sophomore that year we won state. We basically had that same conference again in 2019 and spring 2021, except East Gaston and Chase instead of Kings Mountain and North Gaston. Then the NCHSAA had to break it up just when Chase and RS were actually competitive. (East, that’s a whole other story).
I remember my junior year yall almost beat us on homecoming, we escaped by the skin of our teeth, 7-0, but our starting QB got injured that season.
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Wow what a project...I've finished the 2A West side of this...and to be honest I don't get paid enough ($0) to do this any further...I will however do the 2A East if the eastern boys are interested.
I did an auto schedule...no conferences...you get what you get.
For the West...I broke the 51 teams into two sections - 25 teams west/south and 26 teams north/east. Teams will play a majority of their schedule with teams in their section. No playing up/down in classifications because I don't have the time to fool with it. All teams have a schedule difficulty rating within 1 point of each other (I'm proud of that...it took me quite some time to get it right) - difficulty based off of the ranking of your opponent...not their RPI...that would be too squirrely.
Anyway - I'm still putting some schedules together...right now it's a color coded number matrix...but it's solid.
Some teasers:
West 1 - #1 Shelby
| E-Gaston |
| RSCentral |
| BunkerHill |
| Robinson |
| Owen |
| BYE |
| Madison |
| Monroe |
| W-Lincoln |
| TWAndrews |
| SW-Randolph |
West 1 - #2 Maiden
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| RSCentral |
| Bandys |
| N-Forsyth |
| Burns |
| MTPleasant |
| Trinity |
| BYE |
| W-Lincoln |
| Brevard |
| E-Burke |
| E-Surry |
West 1 - #3 Hendo
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| Morehead |
| W-Stanly |
| Chase |
| W-Caldwell |
| BYE |
| Monroe |
| Burns |
| Anson |
| E-Burke |
| ForestHills |
| Reidsville |
For @Maiden Creek
West 1 - #8 West Lincoln
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| PineLake |
| PolkCTY |
| E-Gaston |
| Anson |
| W-Caldwell |
| Wheatmore |
| BYE |
| Maiden |
| Shelby |
| Patton |
| N-Forsyth |
West 2 - #1 East Surry
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| Lincolnton |
| W-Davidson |
| ProviGrove |
| McMichael |
| WilkesCentral |
| BYE |
| SW-Randolph |
| W-Stanly |
| Trinity |
| Lexington |
| Maiden |
West 2 - #2 Reidsville
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| Forbush |
| McMichael |
| WilkesCentral |
| Wheatmore |
| TWAndrews |
| W-Stanly |
| BYE |
| N-Surry |
| Randleman |
| Brevard |
| Hendo |
If you have a request for your team specifically...let me know and get it up tomorrow. I didn't fool with designating home and away...just use your imagination.
An example of the matrix...I don't know that NCPreps will allow the color to copy over...
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yeah no color...so it looks like I scheduled team 2 with team 17 twice...but really its 17 from section 1 and 17 from section 2.
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| Week - Rank> | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 |
| 1 | 12 | 18 | 20 | 9 | 22 |
| 2 | 18 | 22 | 14 | 24 | 14 |
| 3 | 4 | 13 | 7 | 1 | 25 |
| 4 | 11 | 6 | 25 | 23 | 21 |
| 5 | 21 | 15 | BYE | 11 | 12 |
| 6 | BYE | 17 | 5 | BYE | 3 |
| 7 | 24 | BYE | 6 | 13 | BYE |
| 8 | 5 | 8 | 20 | 16 | 1 |
| 9 | 8 | 17 | 19 | 7 | 18 |
| 10 | 26 | 19 | 13 | 25 | 7 |
| 11 | 6 | 1 | 2 | 5 | 8 |
| Difficulty> | 13.5 | 13.6 | 13.1 | 13.4 | 13.1 |
yeah no color...so it looks like I scheduled team 2 with team 17 twice...but really its 17 from section 1 and 17 from section 2.
The best single conference in football history in North Carolina. And before everybody goes and argues think about who was in that league then and how they were then. Not just how they are now. Pretty sure more Clemson and South Carolina football players came out of that conference in arguably any other.
Overall I feel the state improved the direction of the area big time this alignment. There was no way those awful 2013 conferences could stay going. The Northwest 1A was a joke by the end of the 2010's with the non MA/ES schools, WPAC was also a joke in terms of gate turnout, all the non Forsyth schools had a lot of long nights wondering if they would break even when they hosted Carver and NF. MVAC got away with no changes for 2 alignments which was so infuriating. Something had to be done.
That being said they still could have done us a lot better. A lot of weird moves and changes that didn't make any sense. One school got moved to 3A for no reason, another to 2A when they should be a 1A still. Then came the 3 Forsyth schools into their mess as well. Just a lot of weird moves. Here's what I'd do to fix it:
-Firstly East Surry I'd move down to 1A again. Their ADM's have been borderline. They'd be fine in 1A; they honestly coulda maybe made the title game last year again if they stayed down.
-Ashe County would be back to 2A. There's no reason why at all they should be 3A at all. Their #'s aren't there and the county just isn't a 3A county. They tried it in the late 90's when they opened but they didn't last hardly any time before they went down.
-The Foothills 2A name is so lazy. Shoulda either kept the MVAC name or went with Blue Ridge 2A for kicks and giggles.
-The Forsyth stuff is all those schools fault. They coulda tried to fight it but they didn't offer any input so it's hard to feel bad for them. That being said that conference is honestly a competitive one for them. Take out MI Charter and put Highland Tech in and it woulda been perfect.
But if I had to redo the conferences here's what I'd do:
Northwest 1A:
Alleghany
Bishop
East Surry
East Wilkes
Elkin
Mount Airy
Starmount
A lot better. Granted it would be hard for the bottom teams but the competition here would be a lot better. In the NW we have now it's better than what it has been in a while but it's the same team at the top every year. Its a lot better here. Plus the East and Starmount conference gate would be awesome.
Blue Ridge 2A:
Ashe County
Forbush
North Surry
North Wilkes
Surry Central
West Wilkes
Wilkes Central
A much better and traditional conference. 2021 in this conference woulda been super fun with no East around. Probably be a split for the title if it goes like RL.
WPAC 2A/1A:
Carver
North Forsyth
North Stokes
South Stokes
Walkertown
West Stokes
WS Prep
+East Surry (if they have to stay 2A)
This one's super hard to do but there's really no other choice. The travel time would be awesome for everyone there's nothing over an hour for travel times. The competition at both levels would be good. Woulda been a heck of a contest for 1A in this conference. 2A too for that matter. If East Surry has to stay 2A they'd be a better fit in this conference.
That being said they still could have done us a lot better. A lot of weird moves and changes that didn't make any sense. One school got moved to 3A for no reason, another to 2A when they should be a 1A still. Then came the 3 Forsyth schools into their mess as well. Just a lot of weird moves. Here's what I'd do to fix it:
-Firstly East Surry I'd move down to 1A again. Their ADM's have been borderline. They'd be fine in 1A; they honestly coulda maybe made the title game last year again if they stayed down.
-Ashe County would be back to 2A. There's no reason why at all they should be 3A at all. Their #'s aren't there and the county just isn't a 3A county. They tried it in the late 90's when they opened but they didn't last hardly any time before they went down.
-The Foothills 2A name is so lazy. Shoulda either kept the MVAC name or went with Blue Ridge 2A for kicks and giggles.
-The Forsyth stuff is all those schools fault. They coulda tried to fight it but they didn't offer any input so it's hard to feel bad for them. That being said that conference is honestly a competitive one for them. Take out MI Charter and put Highland Tech in and it woulda been perfect.
But if I had to redo the conferences here's what I'd do:
Northwest 1A:
Alleghany
Bishop
East Surry
East Wilkes
Elkin
Mount Airy
Starmount
A lot better. Granted it would be hard for the bottom teams but the competition here would be a lot better. In the NW we have now it's better than what it has been in a while but it's the same team at the top every year. Its a lot better here. Plus the East and Starmount conference gate would be awesome.
Blue Ridge 2A:
Ashe County
Forbush
North Surry
North Wilkes
Surry Central
West Wilkes
Wilkes Central
A much better and traditional conference. 2021 in this conference woulda been super fun with no East around. Probably be a split for the title if it goes like RL.
WPAC 2A/1A:
Carver
North Forsyth
North Stokes
South Stokes
Walkertown
West Stokes
WS Prep
+East Surry (if they have to stay 2A)
This one's super hard to do but there's really no other choice. The travel time would be awesome for everyone there's nothing over an hour for travel times. The competition at both levels would be good. Woulda been a heck of a contest for 1A in this conference. 2A too for that matter. If East Surry has to stay 2A they'd be a better fit in this conference.
Ok…for fun…it’s a brainstorming session with no bad ideas.
The sections are probably too big.
The west group of the West-South group should never play the east group of the North-East group to eliminate the extreme travel…that would apply to the other extremes as well.
That’s tough for most on a Friday evening. Only the die hards and the road warriors would do that.
Going anywhere around here on a Friday…say a 2 hour road trip ain’t easy to do….3 hours is out of the question.
Of course…I would do it and LOVE DOING IT!…..but I’m a nut… prolly like most on these boards….but overall….we are definitely in the minority.
I agree, the reason I crossed was the competition drops way off after the #5 and #6 teams ...so to have more competition I added the other sections
Any idea that negatively impacts gate money….won’t fly either! Grizz.
But again….there ain’t any bad ideas.
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But again….there ain’t any bad ideas.
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Maybe pods for conference play similar to how the playoffs were structured back in the day……
But I would never support…..Pods for the playoffs!!!….ever!
Heard a rumor….about some local guys heading to TJ to coach.
You’ve mentioned one of them lately. 👀
Shocked….if it’s true…..but I’m happy for them as well.
That’s why I mentioned lol… I didn’t want stir the pot then, but wanted to see if anyone had heard that Maiden wouldn’t actually be the landing spot! I’m still waiting to hear if it’s true and goes public.
Frank Snyder, a name from the past. In little league he pitched for the Kiwanis International. every time I batted he threw the ball about eye-level causing it to look as big as a cantaloupe. Couldn't lay off of his high pitches and looked like a propeller swatting at it. Never got a solitary hit off of him. Almost 60 years ago. He was a really good guy.
