34 , your NC State hatred and UNC bias are showing. I didn't say national champion or conference champion, I said winner; State's won 9 games the past 2 seasons, should have been 10 or 11; averaged 8 wins past 5 seasons. 7.3 wins the past 10 seasons. I call that winning. Won 8 of last 11 bowl games. I also said Kaba could play for a national champion in Clemson. Hope you don't get your hopes up too high on Mack and may I remind you that recruiting job of Davis turned out how? Most of the heavyweights either quit, were suspended with the team going on probation. If that's the way you get it that's something to be proud of, isn't it?