Behavior at HS athletic events

[Sportsnut17]

Similar story told many times, but I thought it was worth posting again. This publication is based in Fayetteville and long time poster Mr. Earl Vaughn writes for them.


https://www.upandcomingweekly.com/h...ent-behavior-a-major-problem-for-high-schools

 

[Tellmesumn]

I disagree with almost every point in that article.

 

[S2V2]

I disagree with almost every point in that article.

How?

 

[Steelers71]

LOL. The article is spot on.

 

[scotswin]

How?

Meaning he agrees with part of it ,, as do I
1 and 6 probably so ,,but 2,3,4,5 maybe maybe not..

 

[GSO-Triple5]

I disagree with almost every point in that article.

You're probably one of those parents in which the article speaks, neck veins pokin' from your neck as you vigorously yell at the coaching staff and refs, stompin' hell out of the stadium or gymnasium seating when your team is on the other end of an unfavorable call , berating the opponents every move with X rated lyrics , screaming statements such as, " If you'd insert my Little Johnny into the athletic event, we'd blow out this team, and by the way, if you did insert my little darlin' , Little Johnny would earn a scholarship to Duke or UNC, " or perhaps you're one of those parents that visited the local tavern before the event and have a rough time standing to again show your ass as Little Johnny cringes from the end of the bench with his face as red as a stop sign, he hoping the game will soon be over so he can retreat to his room to text or type more meaningless horseshat on FaceLook.

 

[BigRaider32]

Amen. , I agree with all of it .. Being a coach for young kids a long time ago , I remember hor disrespectful some of the parents were..

 

[Crr1968]

I will always yell at the official if he missed a call. However, all the other points I agree with

 

[S2V2]

Meaning he agrees with part of it ,, as do I
1 and 6 probably so ,,but 2,3,4,5 maybe maybe not..

The article states 6 guidelines. I personally counted 7
You have a hard time agreeing with these 7 acts of immature verbal/physical adult violence?....................WHAT?

1. Act your age. You are, after all, an adult. Act in a way that makes your family and school proud. There are parents out here that are dressed in a 49yr old outfit but for some odd reason its ok to act 18, cuss the into the wind, and swing at everything within range.

2. Don’t live your life vicariously through your children. High school sports are for them, not you. Your family’s reputation is not determined by how well your children perform on the field of play. Just because the Bobby Joe(the dad) was a superstar in High School does not mean you injected the same genes into little Boy Blue

3. Let your children talk to the coach instead of you doing it for them. High school athletes learn how to become more confident, independent and capable—but only when their parents don’t jump in and solve their problems for them. If you dont have a degree, but have watched Monday Night football all your life does not mean you are a qualified coach. Ive seen this too often after the game and on the field with the parent in the coaches face...............embarrassing.

4. Stay in your own lane. No coaching or officiating from the sidelines. Your role is to be a responsible, supportive parent — not a coach or official. Then there's the parent that stands on the sidelines and tells any coach what to do, how to do it, and why to do it. Lets say in a perfect world coach listens and this parents kid does not perform as expected, The next move the parent makes is to pick his nose, and walk off as if he needs to take a dump at the field house.

5. Remember, participating in a high school sport is not about getting a college scholarship. According to the NCAA, only about two percent of all high school athletes are awarded a sports scholarship, and the total value of the scholarship is only about $18,000. Two percent is the exact percentage with anything in life. They are only looking for the right one. They arent going to give it to Little Boy Blue just because Bobby Joe works with president Trump.

Bobby Joe Swears that Little Boy Blue has all the skills to get a scholarship but the blame is on the coach because he didnt put Little Boy Blue in play

6. Make sure your children know you love watching them play. Do not critique your child’s performance on the car ride home. Participating in high school sports is about character development, learning and having fun — not winning and losing. I have always taught my children that "the judge, the ref, the umpire, or any higher power" has the last approval. Do not cuss or dare make a scene. Just learn, practice and get better.

7. Purchasing a ticket to a high school athletic event does not give you the right to be rude, disrespectful or verbally abusive. Cheer loud and be proud, but be responsible and respectful. The future of high school sports in our nation is dependent on you. So many come and sit on the visitor side to only annoy the visitors but then they surely swear they are in the right for any of their actions. There are people in this world that will never go anywhere and that's because they have always carried a heavy weight on their back.............EGO.

 

[S2V2]

I disagree with almost every point in that article.

You're probably one of those parents in which the article speaks, neck veins pokin' from your neck as you vigorously yell at the coaching staff and refs, stompin' hell out of the stadium or gymnasium seating when your team is on the other end of an unfavorable call , berating the opponents every move with X rated lyrics , screaming statements such as, " If you'd insert my Little Johnny into the athletic event, we'd blow out this team, and by the way, if you did insert my little darlin' , Little Johnny would earn a scholarship to Duke or UNC, " or perhaps you're one of those parents that visited the local tavern before the event and have a rough time standing to again show your ass as Little Johnny cringes from the end of the bench with his face as red as a stop sign, he hoping the game will soon be over so he can retreat to his room to text or type more meaningless horseshat on FaceLook.

Maybe he needs to stop going to that joint in Southern Pines where the broads smile until 3am

 

[Tellmesumn]

Here is how I see it.

Act your age
This one you might as well throw out on it's face. People can't even "act their age" outside of the sports arena.

Don’t live your life vicariously through your children.
I can agree with that, but it sounds like an excuse for parents to not be invested in their kids path in sports. Parents are invested in their academic path, so why should sports be any different? I never cared about playing the sports that my kids play, but I'm invested in their journey.

Let your children talk to the coach instead of you doing it for them.
I can agree with this as well, but there are issues that require parent coach conversations IMO.

Stay in your own lane.
No coaching or officiating from the sidelines.........so what are fans supposed to do, not have an opinion and not discuss those opinions with other fans??? How about coached and refs not be so sensitive??? BTW, I know a couple of refs personally. They let that ish roll off their backs.

Remember, participating in a high school sport is not about getting a college scholarship.
It may not be for some kids, but it may be for other kids and I don't see anything wrong with that. There are kids that work year round at their sport(s) and the demands of many of the programs that I've seen would give one the expectation that college might be an option after high school. Everyone isn't going to go FBS, but FCS, Division II, and NAIA give scholarships and a good high school player can make it to those levels for sure.

Make sure your children know you love watching them play.
I agree with that.

Purchasing a ticket to a high school athletic event does not give you the right to be rude, disrespectful or verbally abusive.
I agree with that as well, but it's sports and sports is a competition. Competition is HIGHLY emotional so to expect people to not get out of hand from time to time is not realistic. We are expecting people to not be human. As long as they aren't threatening or physically harming anyone I say that it's all part of the game. And if you want to talk about being rude, disrespectful or verbally abusive you might want to talk to some of these coaches. They can be some of the most rude, disrespectful, and verbally abusive people that you will ever meet.

 

[S2V2]

Here is how I see it.

Act your age
This one you might as well throw out on it's face. People can't even "act their age" outside of the sports arena.

Don’t live your life vicariously through your children.
I can agree with that, but it sounds like an excuse for parents to not be invested in their kids path in sports. Parents are invested in their academic path, so why should sports be any different? I never cared about playing the sports that my kids play, but I'm invested in their journey.

Let your children talk to the coach instead of you doing it for them.
I can agree with this as well, but there are issues that require parent coach conversations IMO.

Stay in your own lane.
No coaching or officiating from the sidelines.........so what are fans supposed to do, not have an opinion and not discuss those opinions with other fans??? How about coached and refs not be so sensitive??? BTW, I know a couple of refs personally. They let that ish roll off their backs.

Remember, participating in a high school sport is not about getting a college scholarship.
It may not be for some kids, but it may be for other kids and I don't see anything wrong with that. There are kids that work year round at their sport(s) and the demands of many of the programs that I've seen would give one the expectation that college might be an option after high school. Everyone isn't going to go FBS, but FCS, Division II, and NAIA give scholarships and a good high school player can make it to those levels for sure.

Make sure your children know you love watching them play.
I agree with that.

Purchasing a ticket to a high school athletic event does not give you the right to be rude, disrespectful or verbally abusive.
I agree with that as well, but it's sports and sports is a competition. Competition is HIGHLY emotional so to expect people to not get out of hand from time to time is not realistic. We are expecting people to not be human. As long as they aren't threatening or physically harming anyone I say that it's all part of the game. And if you want to talk about being rude, disrespectful or verbally abusive you might want to talk to some of these coaches. They can be some of the most rude, disrespectful, and verbally abusive people that you will ever meet.

What?

 

[portcity FB]

What I find most ironic at sporting events is a how people react to adversity. Coaches and parents preach to their kids and players to deal with adversity the right way. Lets face it, it is easy to do the right thing under ideal conditions. The real test is how we deal with issues under stress. I see parents and sometimes coaches loose their minds over a bad call but then punish kids or players for doing the same. Doesn't work! Do as I say, not as I do is leading kids straight to failure.

 

[Tellmesumn]

What?

We are trying the regulate what makes us human. Emotion. I've seen people get emotional in settings where you would "expect them to act as an adult", but we are all human. If there is one place where I expect people to be able to be emotional it is at a sporting event. Sports involves passion to extreme levels so I can excuse "not acting your age" at a sporting event.

 

[Steelers71]

I think there is a major difference in how you treat coaches and players at the high school level vs. those at the professional or collegiate level. Teenagers shouldn't be harrassed from the stands for making a mistake like Cam Newton may be. Big difference in the pay and expectations of HS kids/Coaches vs. Pro. HS coaches bust their A** to field a competitive team with what they have. They can't recruit players legally, line the field, plan practice, check grades of kids, take them home from practice, pick them up for practice, cut the fields, do the game and practice laundry,etc. and still field a decent team with average athletes. For the beans we make, then get to listen to crazy parents. I ignore the idiots in the stands and smile as I walk by after the game. Instead of embarrassing their kid more by cussing them out like I want to. Every game.

 

[Blue and Gold22]

We are trying the regulate what makes us human. Emotion. I've seen people get emotional in settings where you would "expect them to act as an adult", but we are all human. If there is one place where I expect people to be able to be emotional it is at a sporting event. Sports involves passion to extreme levels so I can excuse "not acting your age" at a sporting event.

Acting like a Douche isnt what makes us human. It makes you a Douche.

 

[Tellmesumn]

Acting like a Douche isnt what makes us human. It makes you a Douche.

Douche's are human too and I hate to tell you this, but everyone has a little "douche" in their personality at some time in their life.

 

[Tellmesumn]

I think there is a major difference in how you treat coaches and players at the high school level vs. those at the professional or collegiate level. Teenagers shouldn't be harrassed from the stands for making a mistake like Cam Newton may be. Big difference in the pay and expectations of HS kids/Coaches vs. Pro. HS coaches bust their A** to field a competitive team with what they have. They can't recruit players legally, line the field, plan practice, check grades of kids, take them home from practice, pick them up for practice, cut the fields, do the game and practice laundry,etc. and still field a decent team with average athletes. For the beans we make, then get to listen to crazy parents. I ignore the idiots in the stands and smile as I walk by after the game. Instead of embarrassing their kid more by cussing them out like I want to. Every game.

I can agree that fans shouldn't harass the kids. In terms of recruiting, sure coaches aren't supposed to recruit, but they do. Also, many coaches don't treat football like an extracurricular activity, they treat it like the primary focus of these kids. With the amount of time that they put in parents and other fans are expecting results. Lastly, we are putting these coaches out there like they are saints. I've seen really good coaches in my day, but I've also see coached that give coaches a bad name.

 

[devilmac99]

If a parent wants to be an ass they have every right to be one. I will never tell another parent how to deal with their own kid unless we are talking about witnessing an act of violence (not a spanking but a true beat down) and even then you better be careful or you might get shot! If a parent wants to be an ass by all means let them. Also they have to be prepared to deal with the consequences so if it keeps their kid on the bench or relegated to the bench then maybe they will think the next time before they open their PIE HOLE! Now if that parent is directing their foolishness at another kid then they should be prepared to deal with the consequences. Some of the so called leaders in sports and in this country act like asses all the time. I don't agree with it but it is their right. Earl Vaughn thinks it is bad in high school go to one of these travel softball games and watch how the parents and coaches act. It's a freak show at times but again who am I to tell another adult to stop acting like as ass as long as they are not directing it my way. I try to ignore them because normally if you confront them it just escalates because all fools are just looking for an audience! If you ignore them they normally shut up!

 

[Tellmesumn]

If a parent wants to be an ass they have every right to be one. I will never tell another parent how to deal with their own kid unless we are talking about witnessing an act of violence (not a spanking but a true beat down) and even then you better be careful or you might get shot! If a parent wants to be an ass by all means let them. Also they have to be prepared to deal with the consequences so if it keeps their kid on the bench or relegated to the bench then maybe they will think the next time before they open their PIE HOLE! Now if that parent is directing their foolishness at another kid then they should be prepared to deal with the consequences. Some of the so called leaders in sports and in this country act like asses all the time. I don't agree with it but it is their right. Earl Vaughn thinks it is bad in high school go to one of these travel softball games and watch how the parents and coaches act. It's a freak show at times but again who am I to tell another adult to stop acting like as ass as long as they are not directing it my way. I try to ignore them because normally if you confront them it just escalates because all fools are just looking for an audience! If you ignore them they normally shut up!

I agree with all of that except the part about the kid sitting the bench because of a parent. It's not the kids fault. Also, if it gets to the point to where the coaches are offended maybe they need to talk to the parent. Communication is something that coaches seem to have a problem with, ironically. Either way, I would think that coaches would be prepared to be disliked at some point..........

 

[devilmac99]

I agree with all of that except the part about the kid sitting the bench because of a parent. It's not the kids fault. Also, if it gets to the point to where the coaches are offended maybe they need to talk to the parent. Communication is something that coaches seem to have a problem with, ironically. Either way, I would think that coaches would be prepared to be disliked at some point..........

If you do not think kids are benched because of parents you are not living in the real world. t don't agree with it but it happens. Coaches hate to be challenged (i.e. Nick Saban) or questioned about anything not to mention personnel decisions.

 

[BlackKnightNut]

Craig James says hello to this thread lol

 

[S2V2]

Fellas,
This Tellmesumm Guy is playing mind games with us lol. He’s playing the stupid role and some of us are eating it up. I’m done with him lol

 

[portcity FB]

If a parent wants to be an ass they have every right to be one. I will never tell another parent how to deal with their own kid unless we are talking about witnessing an act of violence (not a spanking but a true beat down) and even then you better be careful or you might get shot! If a parent wants to be an ass by all means let them. Also they have to be prepared to deal with the consequences so if it keeps their kid on the bench or relegated to the bench then maybe they will think the next time before they open their PIE HOLE! Now if that parent is directing their foolishness at another kid then they should be prepared to deal with the consequences. Some of the so called leaders in sports and in this country act like asses all the time. I don't agree with it but it is their right. Earl Vaughn thinks it is bad in high school go to one of these travel softball games and watch how the parents and coaches act. It's a freak show at times but again who am I to tell another adult to stop acting like as ass as long as they are not directing it my way. I try to ignore them because normally if you confront them it just escalates because all fools are just looking for an audience! If you ignore them they normally shut up!

There is a time and place for things. How you treat issues within your home is your business. When your in public it carries more responsibility. I do not want to hear someone cussing their kids and beating them down verbally or physically. I do not want to hear some parent dropping F bombs because they can not control their temper. I do not want my kids to see or hear that either.

 

[Tellmesumn]

If you do not think kids are benched because of parents you are not living in the real world. t don't agree with it but it happens. Coaches hate to be challenged (i.e. Nick Saban) or questioned about anything not to mention personnel decisions.

I believe it happens, but it shouldn't.

 

[devilmac99]

There is a time and place for things. How you treat issues within your home is your business. When your in public it carries more responsibility. I do not want to hear someone cussing their kids and beating them down verbally or physically. I do not want to hear some parent dropping F bombs because they can not control their temper. I do not want my kids to see or hear that either.

Didn't say I condone or wanted to hear it I'm just not jumping into it. Seen to many altercations between fans get out of hand. I'm to old to fight with some ass unless it involves my family or someone who truly cannot defend themselves. Thats why they have police at games.

 

[PrepFanNC]

A lot of good thoughts here...

I haven’t seen anyone mention a couple of thoughts that I had while reading the comments....

Yes, there are lots of scholarships to be had at the D-2 and NAIA level... They aren’t full rides in most every case. I’ve seen kids go to schools in which they had no desire to be at academically. They play a season or two, the schoolwork overwhelms them and then they leave. These schools were private in most cases and the money they were awarded didn’t even get the total cost down to in-state tuition. So, they leave school with no degree, and are saddled in 75,000+ of student debt.

Football aside, this is in many other sports as well.

I’d bet that in most situations, the amount of money awarded to a college athlete pales in comparison to the amount of money spent on 10 years of travel sports, equipment, hotel and travel costs, etc...

Is it wrong to do that? I don’t think so. Families seem to love that lifestyle and I’m sure that lifelong memories are created. Great! But, that kind of makes the scholarship more of a badge of honor than a financial boon.

 

[Eastcoastman1957]

I know people who spend thousands in travel ball,and are usually the parents who try to run everything. They think this will make a pro out of their kid. But very,very few does this get anywhere. One baseball coach told me travel ball was killing high school baseball. So yes more is spent with more expectations from sport. Results,parents not liking anything that stands in their kids way,example ,refs.

 

[PrepFanNC]

I know people who spend thousands in travel ball,and are usually the parents who try to run everything. They think this will make a pro out of their kid. But very,very few does this get anywhere. One baseball coach told me travel ball was killing high school baseball. So yes more is spent with more expectations from sport. Results,parents not liking anything that stands in their kids way,example ,refs.

I think the baseball coach you mentioned is probably right. I know that in many places, club volleyball trumps high school volleyball. I’m certain that travel softball is also more competitive for many girls who attend schools who have crappy teams. Baseball is more of the same.

 

[Tellmesumn]

A lot of good thoughts here...

I haven’t seen anyone mention a couple of thoughts that I had while reading the comments....

Yes, there are lots of scholarships to be had at the D-2 and NAIA level... They aren’t full rides in most every case. I’ve seen kids go to schools in which they had no desire to be at academically. They play a season or two, the schoolwork overwhelms them and then they leave. These schools were private in most cases and the money they were awarded didn’t even get the total cost down to in-state tuition. So, they leave school with no degree, and are saddled in 75,000+ of student debt.

Football aside, this is in many other sports as well.

I’d bet that in most situations, the amount of money awarded to a college athlete pales in comparison to the amount of money spent on 10 years of travel sports, equipment, hotel and travel costs, etc...

Is it wrong to do that? I don’t think so. Families seem to love that lifestyle and I’m sure that lifelong memories are created. Great! But, that kind of makes the scholarship more of a badge of honor than a financial boon.

You are correct for many sports, but football is different IMO. It very possible to get a full ride scholarship at a Division 1 school (FBS or FCS) and every kid that plays on these teams isn't physically the prototype player. That being said I've seen kids fall victim to programs that didn't know how to use them or coaches that had an different opinion of them. Ben Roethlisberger is a prime example. He only played one year at QB in high school. The coaches son was slotted ahead of him...........this is an extreme case, but this kind of thing happens. Some coaches suppress talent and people see that from the stands.