New rule in the handbook this year that 3rd place teams in split leagues get a 3 seed.
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Guys not trying to be devils advocate but..... I think they have it right based on the info I have seen. SI is the 2 seed in 3a for the NPC, Reynolds is the 3 seed out of the MAC. Even if SI was the 3 seed in the NPC they both have the same record and it would be a coin flip between the two teams, Again this is based off of the info I have seen. At first I thought they screwed the pooch as well but after researching, I think they have it correctOriginally posted by MACFan1:
Here it is cut and pasted from the NCHSAA Handbook. In the NPC Overall the standings are:
Lake Norman 4A
Mooresville 4A
Statesville 3A
South Iredell 3A
MAC Standings:
Asheville 3A
Erwin 3A
Reynolds 3A
A team in a split conference that finishes second or third in the overall conference standings will be seeded as a number two or number three. (Revised: May 2014)
(4) Seed all #2s by 10-game winning percentage. (Revised: May 2014) (5) Seed all #3s by 10-game winning percentage. (Revised: May 2014) (6) Seed all other qualifying teams (those with four or more wins) based
only on their 10 game winning percentage, regardless of conference
finish. (Revised: May 2014)
I am pretty sure split gets the first 2 automatic. 6-5 would make them 5-5, so, what was there conference percentage? because that would determine why a SWR got in over them?Originally posted by GATA 88:
To add to the confusion... North Iredell finished 3rd in 3a in their conference with a final record of 6-5 and I don't see where they made the playoffs??
Guys not trying to be devils advocate but..... I think they have it right based on the info I have seen. SI is the 2 seed in 3a for the NPC, Reynolds is the 3 seed out of the MAC. Even if SI was the 3 seed in the NPC they both have the same record and it would be a coin flip between the two teams, Again this is based off of the info I have seen. At first I thought they screwed the pooch as well but after researching, I think they have it correct
No only the top 3 overall get seeded that way. South Iredell finished 4th overall in their conference which puts them as an at large. Acr finished 3rd overall.
Playoff seeding works as follows by the rule book
1. First over all orin division seeded with 1's
2. Second overall seeded with 2's
3. 3rd overall seeded with 3's
4. 4th or lower seeded as At large
I now see what you are saying. When they did that revision in May the way it is written somewhat contradicts what is stated earlier about split conferences.Originally posted by dtfix:
You guys are taking the rule out of context as it only applies to automatic qualifiers. AC Reynolds is in a split conference. By rule the only automatic qualifiers are the top 2 in each classification.The seeding rule referenced only applies to the second automatic qualifier in a split conference.
Since AC Reynolds was the 3rd 3A team, they are a wild card and are seeded by 10-game won-loss percentage among other wild card teams.
They were 2-5, and SWR was 2-4 which is a better percentage... tough break.Originally posted by 1whoknows:
I am pretty sure split gets the first 2 automatic. 6-5 would make them 5-5, so, what was there conference percentage? because that would determine why a SWR got in over them?Originally posted by GATA 88:
To add to the confusion... North Iredell finished 3rd in 3a in their conference with a final record of 6-5 and I don't see where they made the playoffs??
I hope someone can present the NCHSAA with something to eliminate split conferences... A system that has 5-5 teams as 1 seeds and 2-8 team keeping other 5-5 teams out of the playoffs is not a good system.Originally posted by owendynasty:
I agree 100% reynoldsrocks. I am currently working on a plan for some people that would finally eliminate all split conferences. The way it is now, is just comparing apples to oranges.
Yep, exactly the way I interpreted it as well. And from what I heard, could be a rumor, this was brought to their attention from the two schools involved with this matchup before the finalized brackets came out.Originally posted by reynoldsrocks:
I understand what is being said however when the NCHSAA puts this statement in their book and online for all the world to see it makes you think differently. This is under is SEEDING section of he book, not the QUALIFYING section they are two totally different sections.
"A team in a split conference that finishes second or third in the overall conference standings will be SEEDED as a number two or number three. (Revised: May 2014)"
That is THE NCHSAA rules as they write it. With it being in the SEEDING section you would think that is exactly what they meant, but seems they write one thing but mean another, as long as it fits what they want. So if there is no 3 seeds in a split conference why even write this statement?
This post was edited on 11/9 3:27 PM by reynoldsrocks
Exactly.Originally posted by reynoldsrocks:
I understand what is being said however when the NCHSAA puts this statement in their book and online for all the world to see it makes you think differently. This is under is SEEDING section of he book, not the QUALIFYING section they are two totally different sections.
"A team in a split conference that finishes second or third in the overall conference standings will be SEEDED as a number two or number three. (Revised: May 2014)"
That is THE NCHSAA rules as they write it. With it being in the SEEDING section you would think that is exactly what they meant, but seems they write one thing but mean another, as long as it fits what they want. So if there is no 3 seeds in a split conference why even write this statement?
This post was edited on 11/9 3:27 PM by reynoldsrocks
Seeding doesn't work that way in a split conference. The top team in each division gets a #1 seed. The 2nd place team in each division gets an automatic bid, but is seeded according the overall conference finish. If they are 2nd in the overall conf standings, they are seeded as a #2, 3rd as a #3. anything lower and they are seeded as a wild card. S. Irredell finished 4th in the overall standings, so they are seeded as a wild card.Originally posted by Champ_24:
South Iredell should had been seeded with 2 seeds, they finished 2nd in the 3a portion on the NPC