2A Remaining undefeated and their schedules

[FHJackets90]

Based on Maxpreps rankings:

(#3 East Surry 8-0)
#79 2A West Wilkes 2-7
#77 2A Surry Central 2-6

(#5 Chase 8-0)
#80 2A Patton 1-7
#61 2A R.S. Central 4-5

(#6 Forest Hills 8-0)
#3 NCISAA II Trinity Christian 4-3
#2 2A Monroe 7-1

(#19 Pine Lake Prep 8-0)
#71 3A Lake Norman Charter 4-4
#24 2A Community of School of Davidson 7-1

Not sure if FH can beat Monroe. It's going to take a 110% effort for four quarters and the entire 48 minutes to keep it close. No lack of energy like I've seen at times the last two weeks. I think the remaining schools can stay undefeated for sure. Pine Lake Prep is undeserving of a high seed due to their week schedule IMO but they'll get one unfortunately. What's everyone else's opinion?

 

[GrizzlyDevil]

Based on Maxpreps rankings:

(#3 East Surry 8-0)
#79 2A West Wilkes 2-7
#77 2A Surry Central 2-6

(#5 Chase 8-0)
#80 2A Patton 1-7
#61 R.S. Central 4-5

(#6 Forest Hills 8-0)
#3 NCISAA II Trinity Christian 4-3
#2 2A Monroe 7-1

(#19 Pine Lake Prep 8-0)
#71 3A Lake Norman Charter 4-4
#24 1A Moutain Island Charter 3-4

Not sure if FH can beat Monroe. It's going to take a 110% effort for four quarters and the entire 48 minutes to keep it close. No lack of energy like I've seen at times the last two weeks. I think the remaining schools can stay undefeated for sure. Pine Lake Prep is undeserving of a high seed due to their week schedule IMO but they'll get one unfortunately. What's everyone else's opinion?

Pine Lake Prep plays CS od Davidson last week for their conference championship

 

[GrizzlyDevil]

I predict East Surry may lose their 1 seed to Reidsville given ES last two games...those teams will bring their RPI down.

 

[FHJackets90]

Pine Lake Prep plays CS od Davidson last week for their conference championship

You're right. I had CSD and put the wrong school typing it in. DUH. I corrected it.

 

[loveithere]

Pine Lake Prep has Lake Norman Charter and Community School of Davidson left according to MaxPreps. CSD is 7-1 right now. PLP beat Mountain Island 30-0 in September. Again. This is all according to MaxPreps.

 

[FHJackets90]

Pine Lake Prep has Lake Norman Charter and Community School of Davidson left according to MaxPreps. CSD is 7-1 right now. PLP beat Mountain Island 30-0 in September. Again. This is all according to MaxPreps.

I corrected it. I had CSD down as there opponent but I typed in the wrong opponent.

 

[FHJackets90]

I predict East Surry may lose their 1 seed to Reidsville given ES last two games...those teams will bring their RPI down.

Yeah, playing those low ranked teams at the end of a season is going to hurt that RPI but whoever gets East Surry in that first-round is going to have their hands full.

 

[Maiden Creek]

Trinity Christian beat Metrolina Christian….who took St. Paul’s to OT.
MCA gave Charlotte Latin a fit too!

Ain’t believing y’all (Forest Hills) headed to Fayetteville to play’em.

It should be a great game….go Yellow Jackets.

 

[FHJackets90]

Trinity Christian beat Metrolina Christian….who took St. Paul’s to OT.
MCA gave Charlotte Latin a fit too!

Ain’t believing y’all (Forest Hills) headed to Fayetteville to play’em.

It should be a great game….go Yellow Jackets.

Yeah, not sure why we're playing them. Some home and home matchup the coaches set up I guess. Long drive Friday though. We beat them last years 31-8. With a small conference we only have 4 conference games so we get an additional non-conference game and Friday is it. MCA did give Latin a fit but we can say we beat them. Friday might be the test we need before Monroe.

 

[Maiden Creek]

Yeah, not sure why we're playing them. Some home and home matchup the coaches set up I guess. Long drive Friday though. We beat them last years 31-8. With a small conference we only have 4 conference games so we get an additional non-conference game and Friday is it. MCA did give Latin a fit but we can say we beat them. Friday might be the test we need before Monroe.

Tons of respect!….that’s tough sledding!

We’re spoiled and don’t know it!

That goes for all teams that have to do what you’re doing to get 10 games!😉

 

[TheMule]

I predict East Surry may lose their 1 seed to Reidsville given ES last two games...those teams will bring their RPI down.

No. You do not understand how the RPI works. If East Surry beats both of those teams by the margin expected as of now, then their RPI will not change unless their opponents perform worst than expected. Highly unlikely that East Surry will lose the #1 seed.

 

[GrizzlyDevil]

No. You do not understand how the RPI works. If East Surry beats both of those teams by the margin expected as of now, then their RPI will not change unless their opponents perform worst than expected. Highly unlikely that East Surry will lose the #1 seed.

Okay jackass

 

[FHJackets90]

No. You do not understand how the RPI works. If East Surry beats both of those teams by the margin expected as of now, then their RPI will not change unless their opponents perform worst than expected. Highly unlikely that East Surry will lose the #1 seed.

If anyone on this site understands how the RPI works its GrizzlyDevil. He's the best I've seen on all the comment boards about determining seeding. He does it every week for 1A and 2A and he's dead on it.

 

[thekidd12]

No. You do not understand how the RPI works. If East Surry beats both of those teams by the margin expected as of now, then their RPI will not change unless their opponents perform worst than expected. Highly unlikely that East Surry will lose the #1 seed.

Hopefully not getting in between two people having some kind of measuring contest but this is in no way how NCHSAA RPI is calculated. OWP and OOWP are only factors. No SOS and definitely no margins of victory are included in their formula.
Ok now that I’ve stuck my nose in I’m going to back out and let y’all settle whatever this is. 🤷‍♂️

 

[GrizzlyDevil]

Hopefully not getting in between two people having some kind of measuring contest but this is in no way how NCHSAA RPI is calculated. OWP and OOWP are only factors. No SOS and definitely no margins of victory are included in their formula.
Ok now that I’ve stuck my nose in I’m going to back out and let y’all settle whatever this is. 🤷‍♂️

Ain't nothing to settle, when he said "margin" I knew there wasn't anything worth actually saying. He can believe what he wants and I'm happy for him.

 

[KW23]

Measuring contest haha good one kidd12.

 

[ReidsvilleRam90]

I don’t know anyone that would want to get in a measuring contest with a mule.

 

[GrizzlyDevil]

I don’t know anyone that would want to get in a measuring contest with a mule.

Depends...is it a percentage or a margin?

 

[TheMule]

Okay jackass

Putting aside the child like name calling, let's take a look at the actual numbers for East Surry and Reidsville's projected seedings.

East Surry will be favored by MARGINS of about 7 TDs over both W. Wilkes and Surry Central, giving them a 10-0 record. Their opponents have a winning percentage of 51.21. I don't know what the winning percentage of their opponents opponents is but it will probably be about the same 51.51.

This gives East Surry an RPI of (100x.50) + (51.21x.25) + (51.21x.25) = .7542

Reidsville will be favored by MARGINS of about 5 TDs over both McMichael and Morehead, giving them a 9-1 record. Their opponents have a winning percentage of 58.46. Again I am assuming the same winning percentage of their opponents opponents.

This gives Reidsville an RPI of (95x.50) + (58.46x.25) + (58.46x.25) = .7192

In order for Reidsville to have a higher RPI than East Surry, the Reidsville opponents opponents would need a winning percentage of greater than 63% and East Surry's opponents opponents would need a winning percentage of less than 50% which is not going to happen.

The top two seeds in the 2A West will be 1. East Surry 2. Reidsville

Of course if either East Surry or Reidsville lose a game that puts gives either Burns or Monroe a chance to grab a top two seed if they win out. Chase has no chance of gaining a top seed because of their opponents dismal winning percentage.

 

[GrizzlyDevil]

Putting aside the child like name calling, let's take a look at the actual numbers for East Surry and Reidsville's projected seedings.

East Surry will be favored by MARGINS of about 7 TDs over both W. Wilkes and Surry Central, giving them a 10-0 record. Their opponents have a winning percentage of 51.21. I don't know what the winning percentage of their opponents opponents is but it will probably be about the same 51.51.

This gives East Surry an RPI of (100x.50) + (51.21x.25) + (51.21x.25) = .7542

Reidsville will be favored by MARGINS of about 5 TDs over both McMichael and Morehead, giving them a 9-1 record. Their opponents have a winning percentage of 58.46. Again I am assuming the same winning percentage of their opponents opponents.

This gives Reidsville an RPI of (95x.50) + (58.46x.25) + (58.46x.25) = .7192

In order for Reidsville to have a higher RPI than East Surry, the Reidsville opponents opponents would need a winning percentage of greater than 63% and East Surry's opponents opponents would need a winning percentage of less than 50% which is not going to happen.

The top two seeds in the 2A West will be 1. East Surry 2. Reidsville

Of course if either East Surry or Reidsville lose a game that puts gives either Burns or Monroe a chance to grab a top two seed if they win out. Chase has no chance of gaining a top seed because of their opponents dismal winning percentage.

I used jackass because you're the mule...

Also...rpi is broken down 30/40/30...not 50/25/25. Also..Reidsville winning percentage at 9-1 would be 0.90, noy 0.95.

I refuse to continue grading your paper mule

 

[GrizzlyDevil]

East Surry current rpi is 0.68673 and this guy tryna convince me it'll be 0.75420 after beating two under 0.500 teams...you tryna turn me into @Chopper747

 

[Chopper747]

East Surry current rpi is 0.68673 and this guy tryna convince me it'll be 0.75420 after beating two under 0.500 teams...you tryna turn me into @Chopper747

lol nvm... I'm entertained

 

[TheMule]

I used jackass because you're the mule...

Also...rpi is broken down 30/40/30...not 50/25/25. Also..Reidsville winning percentage at 9-1 would be 0.90, noy 0.95.

I refuse to continue grading your paper mule

OK. What are the numbers using the 30/40/30? I suspect the results will be the same but I will recompute when I get time.

Thanks for the updated correction. Sorry about the 95/90 typo.

Mules do not like being called jackasses. A jackass is an inferior creature.

 

[GrizzlyDevil]

OK. What are the numbers using the 30/40/30? I suspect the results will be the same but I will recompute when I get time.

Thanks for the updated correction. Sorry about the 95/90 typo.

Mules do not like being called jackasses. A jackass is an inferior creature.

A Jackass and a Horse have a beautiful Mule baby. The baby grows up and calls his Father and his lineage inferior creatures.

You got some internal stuff to work on Mule. I'm here to listen.

 

[tarheel fan1]

I'm more confused now

 

[Chopper747]

I love it!

 

[TheMule]

I love it!

Me too!

 

[TheMule]

OK. Reidsville fans will be thrilled.

Using the 30/40/30 model and assuming the opponents opponents winning percentage is the same as the opponents winning percentage, and assuming both East Surry and Reidsville win out,

THEN East Surry will have a RPI of .6582 and Reidsville will be .6792 giving Reidsville the higher seed.

Of course my math may be a little suspect.

I thank the Griz for helping out this old Mule who turned 80 years old this week.

 

[GrizzlyDevil]

OK. Reidsville fans will be thrilled.

Using the 30/40/30 model and assuming the opponents opponents winning percentage is the same as the opponents winning percentage, and assuming both East Surry and Reidsville win out,

THEN East Surry will have a RPI of .6582 and Reidsville will be .6792 giving Reidsville the higher seed.

Of course my math may be a little suspect.

I thank the Griz for helping out this old Mule who turned 80 years old this week.

I'm looking at the current RPI NCHSAA has listed and it says that East Surry's OWP is 0.57589

It is actually 0.57895 ....I'm wondering if someone over there give it the old fat finger/dyslexia combo and swapped that 5 around where it shouldn't be.

East Surry RPI would then be 0.68795 and not the 0.68673 it has...obviously right now it doesn't change anything but they better tighten up their ship and get the numbers right for seeding.

 

[GrizzlyDevil]

OK. Reidsville fans will be thrilled.

Using the 30/40/30 model and assuming the opponents opponents winning percentage is the same as the opponents winning percentage, and assuming both East Surry and Reidsville win out,

THEN East Surry will have a RPI of .6582 and Reidsville will be .6792 giving Reidsville the higher seed.

Of course my math may be a little suspect.

I thank the Griz for helping out this old Mule who turned 80 years old this week.

You know I believe it changes it tonight to be honest.

East Surry is playing a 2-7 team and Reidsville is playing a 6-2 team...the change in the OWP alone is going to switch them and give Reidsville the 1 seed...if it doesn't I'd be surprised. No one has the time to calculate OOWP so we won't know until they post it.

 

[GrizzlyDevil]

I'm more confused now

Do I need to explain the birds and the bees about horses and donkeys?

 

[tarheel fan1]

Do I need to explain the birds and the bees about horses and donkeys?

I get it now lol. When you and mule were going back and forth I got confused.

 

[TheMule]

You know I believe it changes it tonight to be honest.

East Surry is playing a 2-7 team and Reidsville is playing a 6-2 team...the change in the OWP alone is going to switch them and give Reidsville the 1 seed...if it doesn't I'd be surprised. No one has the time to calculate OOWP so we won't know until they post it.

You have to take into consideration what all of the opponent do tonight and not just W. Wilkes losing.

 

[GrizzlyDevil]

I predict East Surry may lose their 1 seed to Reidsville given ES last two games...those teams will bring their RPI down.

Bingo....Reidsville #1 seed as of this morning

 

[whitedynamite]

Bingo....Reidsville #1 seed as of this morning

We will have to start calling you the "wizard of the West"

 

[GrizzlyDevil]

We will have to start calling you the "wizard of the West"

While i appreciate it, I do not desire that at all haha. No wizard in the least bit...I just see the numbers for what they are.

 

[GrizzlyDevil]

I'll give yall 1 more. Pine Lake Prep beats CSD next Friday and they'll be #2 seed. Mix that in with your breakfast and tell me how it settles

 

[Maiden Creek]

North Forsyth could blow the seedings up if they win next week and move up one spot in the RPI rankings…..due to the leap frog rule.

Keep an eye on that one…Grizz.