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1A State Champions are too Typical

All-out_34

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With Bishop McGuiness now with 9 straight 1A NCHSAA title, and W-S Prep winning 3 in a row.... It seems something should change. Nothing will be done till at least 2017 when conferences are redone, but something needs to happen. If Lake Norman wins the 4A... about half of the state basketball champions will be non-traditional schools.... Can anything be changed or anyone say something to make a difference?
 
Welp that didn't take long. Don't we have 50 threads discussing this to nausea already. I even recall some great recommendations and proposals have been suggested. Both 1a team that lost proved they belonged and could easily with a bounce here or there be state champs. I think is it's a disservice to them and their staffs and fans to say they can't win or compete without rule changes and The way the state legislature is going i'm afraid today's non traditional schools will be the norm of the future.
 
It shows you that the best 1-A traditional basketball team played phenomenal and still lost to WS prep. It shows that you can have the best team all the way up to the state championship just to be outmatched by a school not playing by your rules....complete joke.
 
Originally posted by All-out_34:
With Bishop McGuiness now with 9 straight 1A NCHSAA title, and W-S Prep winning 3 in a row.... It seems something should change. Nothing will be done till at least 2017 when conferences are redone, but something needs to happen. If Lake Norman wins the 4A... about half of the state basketball champions will be non-traditional schools.... Can anything be changed or anyone say something to make a difference?
I agree, but do want to point out that Lake Norman High and Lake Norman Charter are 2 different schools. Lake Norman is a traditional school playing 4A. LKN Charter is a 2A nontraditional.
 
Another thread? Lake Norman IS atraditional school. It is a districted school and part of the Iredell County Schools. It is not a charter school.


This post was edited on 3/15 10:15 PM by btango
 
Originally posted by All-out_34:
With Bishop McGuiness now with 9 straight 1A NCHSAA title, and W-S Prep winning 3 in a row.... It seems something should change. Nothing will be done till at least 2017 when conferences are redone, but something needs to happen. If Lake Norman wins the 4A... about half of the state basketball champions will be non-traditional schools.... Can anything be changed or anyone say something to make a difference?
Both 1A title games came down to the last shot. Had they fallen the other way, we'd be celebrating different championship teams.

To suggest the game was won or lost because of where the players came from shows the ignorance of the poster and has no basis in reality.

It also shows no respect for the players and coaches on the court or the game itself.
 
Your post just showed your ignorance they don't go to that school because of the area they lived in they go because of their ability in basketball. For you to say it is for anything else is absurd. Would like to say congrats to the Bishop lady Yankees you guys bought another hope next years recruiting class is just as strong as the past nine years lol.
 
If you can't beat them, then you obviously aren't doing what needs to be done TO BEAT THEM.

Thank God you're not a coach. Bishop won on a 40 foot heave from inside half court. One bounce could have gone the other way.

Typical whiners, year-after-year.
 
I have coached, I am an assistant at the high school level for a 2A school. Prep and that entire county has open enrolment, so I blame the other schools for not picking up on the talent there. That would really be an easy fix for W-S schools. YES both title games were interesting.... YES both were close... YES Bishop won on a last second prayer that got answered... YES Brian Robinson is probably the best womens coach in the entire state of North Carolina... But this is the first year in a while that Bishop had a challenge like that! I mean 2 years ago they won states by almost 20.
This also comes 2 months after Nieters committed to Harvard, not taking away from her talent, because she is probably one of the more talented players I've seen play in a while..... But it just seems weird a NCHSAA 1A athlete committed to a top womens basketball school, and a team that is NCAA tournament bound. That is something that never usually happens at this level. Prep has the same deal when McClinton committed to play at Wake Forest a few years ago... NCAA d1 talent doesn't belong in the 1A level, plain and simple and to my point.
 
So if a kid grows up in a small town he or she should not be allowed to play 1A because they have D1 talent? If that is the case then #21 who played against Bishop and #33 who played against Prep don't belong ast the 1A level. Both of them are D1 talents. Do you suggest their teams move up in classification, or should they transfer to a Prep School?
 
Bishop's had to go into overtime in the playoffs at least a couple of times in the Regionals. It's been very competitive.

If you don't think that at least Kayla Jones on Riverside is a D1 prospect, you're blind. Williamston had a player go to ECU. There have been others. Don't kid yourself that Bishop has a lock on college recruits in 1A.
 
Originally posted by All-out_34:

This also comes 2 months after Nieters committed to Harvard, not taking away from her talent, because she is probably one of the more talented players I've seen play in a while..... But it just seems weird a NCHSAA 1A athlete committed to a top womens basketball school, and a team that is NCAA tournament bound. That is something that never usually happens at this level. Prep has the same deal when McClinton committed to play at Wake Forest a few years ago... NCAA d1 talent doesn't belong in the 1A level, plain and simple and to my point.
This is the most laughable statement ever posted on this board and that's saying something because there have been some doozie's here lately.

One of the strengths of basketball in the state of North Carolina as a state has been the sheer volume of division one players that it has produced and the 1A has had its share. On the girls side Kerri Fulp is at Wake Forest I believe, the Thompson girl from Hayesville is going to Mercer (Cherokee's Mintz may have even been committed to American at one point I think), Jordan at Monroe is going somewhere D1 and the Jones girls from Riverside is 1000% a D1 player even as a freshman. From the boys, there have been a bunch as well including the Patton kid who played at Parkland for 3 years, Abrams from Pamlico, etc. And yes Prep has certainly had a handful which speaks to their locale rather than the recruiting "boogeyman".

The idea that the 1A should be totally devoid of talent so as to give the North Stokes' (just using them as an example of a school that's rarely been a basketball force) of the world an equal chance is asinine. If you don't like losing, then put more emphasis on basketball, build a solid program foundation that gets kids in your community into the gym from an early age and get better, period. Too many schools are incredibly blaise about their programs and don't have the same structure that the top level programs in the state do.

Mount Airy, despite all the pissing moaning from their fans, is a great example of this. Coach Mayo's program from top to bottom (from middle school ball to AAU to high school) is one of the best in the state and got that way because he's worked at building it from the ground up and so have his kids. As a result, they have a deep and talented pipeline that will keep them competitive at the top of the best 1A league in the state for the foreseeable future. Had they not gagged away that game against Bishop two years ago and the regional game the year before that, they would have at least one title to show for it. Schools interested in getting better would be wise to swallow their pride and visit Coach Mayo or even Coach Robinson and ask about how they run their programs and what makes them successful. They'd learn a lot.
 
No way all out 34 that you are a high school coach if you think that Harvard is a top women's basketball team.
 
Harvard nor their conference offer any athletic scholarships for any sports.
 
Its also different if the player is actually in the region that the school is in. I don't know where any of the girls from Bishop live so I can't speak to them... But more than half of W-S Prep's team doesn't live in the "region" they would if the county had limits. If a D1 talent actually lives in the district of the school, then sure. As I said though, I can't speak for Bishop at all cause I have no idea where they live, but I know schools like Prep and Bishop can take kids from anywhere within a 25 mile radius... Which is basically 7 counties in NC. I played high school basketball at the 1A level and know how hard it is to compete on teams such as Prep (who I played my senior and Sophomore years) and Bishop... I have seen it as a player, and now as a coach. I see why the Rowan County teams wanted a change back in 2012.
 
All-out absolutely ridiculous post. The projected top football recruit in NC next season will be a 1A player from a small eastern school. To say that D1 players do not belong in 1A is complete non sense. TA McLendon should not have been allowed to play for the school where he lived. 1A Albemarle.

Harvard is not a basketball power program.
 
No that's not what I'm saying..... At all.. I just don't think if you go to a prep school or one of the nontraditional schools you shouldn't pay if you are D1 talent. Football is a different story entirely. But yes Harvard is a very good team in Womens basketball? 21-7 and in the Womens NIT this season?
 
Both games went down to the last shot .. Bishop won on a miracle shot ... lol no changes needed dude
 
Harvard and the Ivy League are totally different in just how they recruit, who they recruit, and how they pay for their athletes college education. I know that if you can get into Harvard and your parents make less than $150,000 per year, Harvard pays your way. That applies for all students! The Ivy schools have a totally different formula which limits them from recruiting just a certain number of student / athletes at the lower level of GPA, SAT, and class rank. This lower level is the acceptance point for other D-1 schools.
From East Surry we have proudly sent the Kerns sisters to college on athletic scholarships, the Bennett sisters(one to Wake and the other to Temple) to college on athletic scholarships, and Kari Fulp is at Wake Forest.
Some poster said we should not object to Prep, but should just go out and get those good student/athletes to come to East Surry. We try very hard to get every athlete at East Surry to play. In THE FALL OF 2013 12% of our enrollment was on the JV and Varsity football teams, 30 plus were on our cheerleader squads, 25 plus were on our boys JV and Varsity soccer teams, and our ROTC has over 30 on their Raiders unit. We get our students to participant. But our enrollment area has only about 13 to 14,000 people. So don't tell us to get busy and get more of our students to participate. Give us ALL OF SURRY COUNTY (INCLUDING THE MT. AIRY AND ELKIN SCHOOL SYSTEMS) THEN WE CAN COMPETE NIGHTLY WITH PREP, BISHOP, ATKINS, AND WALKERTOWN IN ALL SPORTS.
 
sure davis...like last year when your East surry beat the Bishop girls BOTH times they played each other...and then gagged in the playoffs, or the year before when the Mt.Airy girls destroyed the Bishop girls THREE times then gagged in the playoffs when they were up by 9 with 3 minutes to go.
 
since you think that Bishop has such a competitive advantage lets do a little research and see how East Surry and Bishop have done head to head in the 9 years Bishop has been in the NW1A in football, mens basketball, womens basketball, baseball, softball, wrestling, golf, cross country, mens and womens soccer and volleyball....lets see how dominant Bishop is..
 
Throw all the records out, throw all the titles out, throw all the head to head records out.....
.and at the end of the day IT IS STILL AN UNFAIR ADVANTAGE!
 
No buzz it's only an unfair advantage when you lose to them. No one cared about Highland Tech because their basketball history was mediocre at best, then they make it to the Western Regionals 2 years ago and all over this board was "they have an unfair advantage", Now that they were 5-16 this year don't hear a word about them.
 
Unfair competition in a sense means that the competitors compete on unequal terms, because favorable or disadvantageous conditions are applied to some competitors but not to others; or that the actions of some competitors actively harm the position of others with respect to their ability to compete on equal and fair terms.

Also 3daughters I am not this Buzz character!
 
A Mt. Airy fan wanting to keep beating this to death...laughable given Mt. Airy's "boundary school" track record of out of district players.
 
I'm not defending BM but I have to agree with 3D on this one. That's the same point I made to a Swain poster; where do you draw the line?
 
For people that live in communities like ours, where do you draw the line is a very simple question. We have one high school in a county of just over 10000. This county will produce somewhere between 100 and 130 kids per grade year after year after year. Those are the kids that we have to choose from. Not 90% of our kids come from here they all do. We simply want everyone else to draw from a defined pool of kids that are in the same geographical boundary area. No exceptions, no excuses, play with your kids. Ever wonder why you go to a regional semi game and see that Avery and Alleghany have brought 900-1200 fans each from hours away, and prep might have had 100 fans and they were 30 minutes from home. The reason is they do not have a community to rally behind them. Their kids come from all over. The regional at UNCG should be an example of what 1A high school athletics is all about, and I would like to think that someone that matters will have been there.
 
You didn't make a point to anyone ex or maybe I missed it. You don't understand at all what goes on in Swain County and only go by distorted views from this board. Bishop situation and Swain are completely different.
 
Originally posted by 3daughters:
A Mt. Airy fan wanting to keep beating this to death...laughable given Mt. Airy's "boundary school" track record of out of district players.
So u are saying MA can get student atheletes from any district in NC like Bishop....I dont think so!
My goodness Your school can have a student live in Elkin and is legal to play at Bishop............
You have atheletes that drive from Winston Salem and play sports there! Tell me one kid that dosent live in the MA DISTRICT AND HAS not been approved to play there by the NCHSAA! if their is not a problem then why does everyone have a problem with it! Alot of news media has discussed it heck it had been voted on......so yes it is a problem!
 
Bishop and Swain are completely different, and Bishop and WS Prep are completely different, and East Surry and Mt. Airy are completely different even though they are in the same county, and Jordan Matthews and Chatham Central are different, etc.etc. etc. That's the problem with any discussion about "level playing fields" and "boundary" vs "non-boundary" schools or "traditional" vs "non-traditional" schools.
 
The only differences between the schools above are how the supporters of their school rationalize or justify the fact that the playing field is not level. There was a time (and oh how I miss it) when 1A athletics was full of small schools from small communities all across the state. The kids that made up their teams were from the same small town, and those towns lived through these kids. The local restaurants would feed the kids before games, and the towns would pretty much shut down on game nights. I know that times like these exist because I was fortunate enough to play for one of these schools in the early 80's. Fortunately for me I was able to see this happen again this year, so it still happens to those schools that really are 1a schools from 1a sized communities. I saw pregame meals again, police escorts out of town on big game days, and communities fill the gym at UNCG to watch THEIR kids. I have heard the rationalizing and heard the rationalizing. You write the rules so that these are the opportunities that kids get to enjoy and be a part of, and you do not allow justification or excuses to stop you (NCHSAA). You must remember that this is about the kids, it is not about the adults and who has the most political pull. Don't let the Preps and Bishops of the world rain on these kids parade, because that is exactly what is happening under the current format.
 
AMEN ALLEGHANY84!! BEST POST I'VE READ IN A LONG TIME!!!
This post was edited on 3/18 6:25 PM by justanotherfan46
 
Any school that charges tuition to me is a private school and should not play private schools in the same conference!
Put them with Independents!
 
Originally posted by MA BEARMAN:

Any school that charges tuition to me is a private school and should not play private schools in the same conference!
Put them with Independents!
Ma, it's not our fault that you can beat Bishop in the regular season but choke when it comes to play offs.

The non-boarding parochial schools have been in the NCHSAA for close to 50 years. Where were the complaints when you were winning?
 
Originally posted by SilversidesNC:

Originally posted by MA BEARMAN:

Any school that charges tuition to me is a private school and should not play private schools in the same conference!
Put them with Independents!
Ma, it's not our fault that you can beat Bishop in the regular season but choke when it comes to play offs.

The non-boarding parochial schools have been in the NCHSAA for close to 50 years. Where were the complaints when you were winning?
As long as we keep thumping them in FOOTBALL I really dont care about the other sports....but it needs to be adressed!
 
All-out you wrote, "I see why the Rowan County teams wanted a change back in 2012."

Salisbury (now Carson's) HC was the one that pushed for the vote. When he won the 2A state football title the star BCS recruit running back an smukyi time state track champion was a non district student that transferred from a 1A school.

Rowan County has been accused of being very flexible in allowing students to move schools without a change of residence with athletes seeking out schools that met their athletic blue print.

I found the way the vote was handled to be cowardly and Rowan County showed themselves to be hypocrites from the move. They now have a superintendent from SC that dealt with real big time football in her last job so we will see how things play out in the future.
 
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